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> Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread
friethmiller
post Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM
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[A softball question for the Ninja and/or others]

This is the cam card that came with my 2357 engine, which was originally built by Rimco/Fat (long block) a few years ago. Can someone explain why with an intake/exhaust of 448, the lift was only set to 327 degrees? I'm about to rebuild my motor and a lot of focus will be directed at piston "deck clearance" and the valve train geometry that wasn't set correctly. Thanks.

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post Dec 31 2024, 02:50 PM
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Ok, I've changed to name of this thread to handle my rebuild of this engine. This engine was the car's original 1.8L. I had the heads redone with 44x38 valves, the case work included: align-bored, oil galleys ported, and relieving in order to handle a new 82mm crankshaft. The JE pistons are 96mm with steal jugs and new 5.325 H-rods.

The build and rebuild of this engine 2 years ago is a bit of a long and sad story. Let's just say, Fat Performance's build didn't run more than 30 mins before blowing up. I was so upset at Fat, who refused to take any responsibility. Saying they only did a "long block" and it wasn't a "full build"... blah, blah, blah. I told them my opinion of their service, where to stick it, and decided to rebuild the engine myself. 914 world got me through the short-block process however, on the long block I never really checked the piston deck height. Fat had used two large shims so I just reassembled everything like they did (mistake #1). I never checked valve geometry either (mistake #2).

What got me to drop the engine were the metal flakes in my oil screen. I drive / watch this engine like a spy plane so I was pretty quick to catch the issue, IMO.

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During disassembly, I found a mushroomed pushrod where the end just fell out in my hand. The corresponding lifter was damaged as well. This damage however didn't account for the metal in the oil screen, though. Later, after the block was split and the cam was removed, I found the source to be the thrust surfaces on the #1 Cam bearing. To me this screams bad valve geometry / push-rod length.

[Opinions on this are welcome, of course]

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My goal is to rebuild this engine yet again but this time do it RIGHT! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Anyways... first order of business is getting the cylinder registers decked. Fat told me it didn't need to be done. The small leaks at the cylinder / head say otherwise. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

I learned a lot last time, I can't wait to see how much knowledge I gain this time around.


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friethmiller   Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread   Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM
technicalninja   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe....   Dec 31 2024, 12:31 PM
friethmiller   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe...   Dec 31 2024, 12:45 PM
technicalninja   looking again that whole cam card is at .050! ...   Dec 31 2024, 12:50 PM
friethmiller   looking again that whole cam card is at .050...   Dec 31 2024, 01:09 PM
technicalninja   I'd have to see the cam card on it. I'd l...   Dec 31 2024, 01:38 PM
technicalninja   Changing cam in a T4 means "all the way down...   Dec 31 2024, 02:13 PM
friethmiller   Ok, I've changed to name of this thread to han...   Dec 31 2024, 02:50 PM
technicalninja   WOW! Was that engine in the car the time you ...   Dec 31 2024, 03:28 PM
technicalninja   Pics please! Clean and label all of the split...   Dec 31 2024, 03:39 PM
friethmiller   Pics please! Clean and label all of the spli...   Dec 31 2024, 04:44 PM
friethmiller   Engine pics Tear down: ...   Dec 31 2024, 05:39 PM
friethmiller   More Pics Camshaft: [u]Camshaft Bearings: ...   Dec 31 2024, 07:06 PM
friethmiller   More Pics: Note: any perpendicular marks are from...   Dec 31 2024, 07:23 PM
friethmiller   Crankshaft Journal Measurements: Note: main jour...   Dec 31 2024, 07:51 PM
technicalninja   Reality check... I never said anything because it...   Jan 1 2025, 10:28 AM
friethmiller   Reality check... I never said anything because i...   Jan 1 2025, 11:06 AM
technicalninja   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depre...   Jan 1 2025, 11:08 AM
friethmiller   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depr...   Jan 1 2025, 11:19 AM
technicalninja   I MAY have a close machine shop. Replacing everyt...   Jan 1 2025, 11:28 AM
friethmiller   Web Cam has a 494 grind with a 1” base circle me...   Jan 1 2025, 02:08 PM
technicalninja   Those might not be JE pistons! I have 2 new s...   Jan 1 2025, 02:24 PM
technicalninja   Looked at that cam. That wouldn't be my first ...   Jan 1 2025, 02:47 PM
friethmiller   Interesting, I'll take a look here in a bit. ...   Jan 1 2025, 03:25 PM
technicalninja   Flat top 96mm 82 stroke. 593.53 CC swept volume. T...   Jan 1 2025, 03:42 PM
technicalninja   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines". Tha...   Jan 1 2025, 04:03 PM
friethmiller   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines". Th...   Jan 1 2025, 05:56 PM
technicalninja   I noticed it almost looks like those have a solid ...   Jan 1 2025, 04:14 PM
Jack Standz   Just some thoughts and first impressions. Thos...   Jan 1 2025, 04:56 PM
friethmiller   Just some thoughts and first impressions. Tho...   Jan 1 2025, 06:08 PM
Jack Standz   Since you're rebuilding the motor, let me sup...   Jan 1 2025, 05:20 PM
friethmiller   9.7:1 Compression Ratio. Damn! That is hot...   Jan 1 2025, 06:20 PM
technicalninja   Intake and exhaust are fine, should support deep i...   Jan 1 2025, 07:25 PM
technicalninja   The pinning is not a big deal. Needs to be done o...   Jan 1 2025, 07:33 PM
friethmiller   Going to cc the heads first. I measured the ID of...   Jan 2 2025, 08:56 AM
technicalninja   The above looks good. Easier to see the bubbles i...   Jan 2 2025, 09:23 AM
technicalninja   These might help. https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyli...   Jan 2 2025, 09:26 AM
friethmiller   These might help. https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyl...   Jan 2 2025, 09:44 AM
Jack Standz   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as t...   Jan 2 2025, 09:29 AM
friethmiller   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as ...   Jan 2 2025, 09:46 AM
technicalninja   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as...   Jan 2 2025, 09:55 AM
VaccaRabite   I've got some opinions here. Remember that ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:09 AM
friethmiller   I've got some opinions here. ... Zach Z...   Jan 2 2025, 11:21 AM
technicalninja   I've got some opinions here. Remember that...   Jan 2 2025, 01:49 PM
cgnj   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 86...   Jan 2 2025, 02:24 PM
friethmiller   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 8...   Jan 2 2025, 03:16 PM
friethmiller   Ok, Cylinder test via antifreeze titration says 60...   Jan 2 2025, 03:22 PM
friethmiller   @technicalninja - Initial look at deck height her...   Jan 2 2025, 09:14 PM
friethmiller   BTW. I’ll put the head stud back and tighten it...   Jan 2 2025, 09:57 PM
technicalninja   Normal quench, .040"thick,96mm bore is 7.2 cc...   Jan 2 2025, 10:10 PM
friethmiller   Did FAT supply those pistons? Yes, crank, cam, ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:19 PM
technicalninja   I don't remember what gauges you had... Minim...   Jan 2 2025, 10:32 PM
Jack Standz   VaccaRabite made several good points about the CR....   Jan 3 2025, 12:17 AM
friethmiller   Thanks guys! My head is starting to spin here...   Jan 3 2025, 08:56 AM
technicalninja   I'd go option 1. JE does offer coatings done ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:17 AM
technicalninja   I'd want the cam and its stuff to map out valv...   Jan 3 2025, 09:32 AM
friethmiller   Did you verify total stroke? Need to compare CD...   Jan 3 2025, 09:56 AM
technicalninja   Yep, how far down +/- deck height. Dial caliper w...   Jan 3 2025, 10:14 AM
technicalninja   At this "level" of engine I'd expect...   Jan 3 2025, 10:23 AM
friethmiller   At this "level" of engine I'd expec...   Jan 3 2025, 10:32 AM
friethmiller   Ok :ninja: , I used the two shims under the #1 jug...   Jan 3 2025, 11:02 AM
friethmiller   Ok, my 1.7L rocker arms do NOT have elephant feet....   Jan 3 2025, 11:26 AM
technicalninja   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...ston...   Jan 3 2025, 11:45 AM
friethmiller   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...sto...   Jan 3 2025, 12:05 PM
cgnj   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 12:59 PM
friethmiller   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 3 2025, 01:19 PM
densible1   I had EMS http://www.europeanmotorworks.com do the...   Jan 3 2025, 01:31 PM
technicalninja   Check with Eric @ Automotive Machine. https://www...   Jan 3 2025, 02:48 PM
technicalninja   And, if I could, I'd pattern the cam I chose o...   Jan 3 2025, 02:56 PM
friethmiller   Thanks Rick, I'll take my case and crank (+ ...   Jan 3 2025, 03:17 PM
burton73   @ friethmiller I just spent a bit of time with Ma...   Jan 3 2025, 03:30 PM
densible1   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
friethmiller   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jan 4 2025, 07:40 AM
burton73   [quote name='densible1' post='3184740' date='Jan ...   Jan 4 2025, 02:07 PM
Montreal914   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lot...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
friethmiller   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lo...   Jan 3 2025, 11:11 PM
technicalninja   That RAT engine used those same KBs and a big cam....   Jan 3 2025, 05:58 PM
cgnj   @Montreal914 [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 3 2025, 06:55 PM
friethmiller   I have 3 cases that I'm going to drop off soo...   Jan 4 2025, 05:51 AM
technicalninja   It would be useful to have the shim measurements. ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:10 PM
friethmiller   It would be useful to have the shim measurements....   Jan 3 2025, 10:25 PM
Montreal914   2270 = 78.4 x 96mm 2258 = 78 x 96mm 78.4 cranks w...   Jan 4 2025, 09:16 AM
cgnj   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray gr...   Jan 4 2025, 11:19 AM
friethmiller   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray g...   Jan 6 2025, 01:59 PM
technicalninja   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3184830' date=...   Jan 4 2025, 11:32 AM
technicalninja   I would LOVE to know why the pics don't post o...   Jan 4 2025, 02:55 PM
Superhawk996   100mm   Jan 4 2025, 03:37 PM
technicalninja   At this level of build I would be hunting thermal ...   Jan 4 2025, 03:45 PM
technicalninja   Thanks SH! Look at how thick the walls are. T...   Jan 4 2025, 04:01 PM
technicalninja   Need P-W clearance. If they "sized for forged...   Jan 4 2025, 04:24 PM
friethmiller   Just got back in from welding on the front cross p...   Jan 4 2025, 04:42 PM
technicalninja   and yet another thought... I slipped a set of sto...   Jan 4 2025, 05:05 PM
friethmiller   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston sk...   Jan 4 2025, 08:18 PM
technicalninja   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the p...   Jan 4 2025, 08:32 PM
friethmiller   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the ...   Jan 4 2025, 09:13 PM
technicalninja   That range is GREAT! It almost looks like a ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:04 AM
technicalninja   You have accurate tools. You measured close to ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:25 AM
friethmiller   You have accurate tools. You measured close to ...   Jan 5 2025, 10:20 AM
technicalninja   It's both the sight and the feel in tenths... ...   Jan 5 2025, 01:43 PM
technicalninja   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston s...   Jan 5 2025, 03:39 PM
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