|  Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread | 
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|  Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread | 
| friethmiller |  Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM 
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| Senior Member    Group: Members Posts: 1,050 Joined: 10-February 19 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 22,863 Region Association: Southwest Region    | [A softball question for the Ninja and/or others]  This is the cam card that came with my 2357 engine, which was originally built by Rimco/Fat (long block) a few years ago. Can someone explain why with an intake/exhaust of 448, the lift was only set to 327 degrees? I'm about to rebuild my motor and a lot of focus will be directed at piston "deck clearance" and the valve train geometry that wasn't set correctly. Thanks.  | 
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| technicalninja |  Jan 1 2025, 11:28 AM 
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| Advanced Member     Group: Members Posts: 2,531 Joined: 31-January 23 From: Granbury Texas Member No.: 27,135 Region Association: Southwest Region    | I MAY have a close machine shop. Replacing everything is NOT the answer! Here, I'm going to be cheaper than you! New rings from JE, have jugs platue honed at the proper finish for the JE rings as long as P-W clearance is ok (forged can take a bunch of clearance before failure). Crank micro-polished (maybe) and balanced. I would guess the case needs line boring from the weird bearing wear. I'd ceramic coat the piston crowns/combustion chambers/exhaust port/exhaust valve (both sides) and face of the intake valve. I'd do this myself and not send then out. A "sacrificial" oven will be involved with this process. Search Craigslist. T4 heads will fit fine in what's available. I'm hunting a BIG oven as I want to the able to do Datsun 6s too and they don't fit in anything... But I wouldn't do anything until I had decided on a cam profile and verified Piston to Valve clearance first. It IS possible to have a forged piston machined for valve pockets. Now, everything regarding the cam drive needs to be NEW! I'd probably try and re-use the rest of what you have now. Running all of this by the guys at LN would be one of my first steps! In a PM conversation with another member, he came up with "Just sending his stuff to LN." which has merit. | 
 friethmiller   Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread   Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM
 friethmiller   Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread   Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM 
  technicalninja   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe....   Dec 31 2024, 12:31 PM
 technicalninja   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe....   Dec 31 2024, 12:31 PM
 
  friethmiller   
It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe...   Dec 31 2024, 12:45 PM
 friethmiller   
It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe...   Dec 31 2024, 12:45 PM 
  technicalninja   looking again that whole cam card is at .050!
...   Dec 31 2024, 12:50 PM
 technicalninja   looking again that whole cam card is at .050!
...   Dec 31 2024, 12:50 PM
 
  friethmiller   
looking again that whole cam card is at .050...   Dec 31 2024, 01:09 PM
 friethmiller   
looking again that whole cam card is at .050...   Dec 31 2024, 01:09 PM 
  technicalninja   I'd have to see the cam card on it.
I'd l...   Dec 31 2024, 01:38 PM
 technicalninja   I'd have to see the cam card on it.
I'd l...   Dec 31 2024, 01:38 PM 
  technicalninja   Changing cam in a T4 means "all the way down...   Dec 31 2024, 02:13 PM
 technicalninja   Changing cam in a T4 means "all the way down...   Dec 31 2024, 02:13 PM 
  friethmiller   Ok, I've changed to name of this thread to han...   Dec 31 2024, 02:50 PM
 friethmiller   Ok, I've changed to name of this thread to han...   Dec 31 2024, 02:50 PM 
  technicalninja   WOW!
Was that engine in the car the time you ...   Dec 31 2024, 03:28 PM
 technicalninja   WOW!
Was that engine in the car the time you ...   Dec 31 2024, 03:28 PM 
  technicalninja   Pics please!
Clean and label all of the split...   Dec 31 2024, 03:39 PM
 technicalninja   Pics please!
Clean and label all of the split...   Dec 31 2024, 03:39 PM
 
  friethmiller   
Pics please!
Clean and label all of the spli...   Dec 31 2024, 04:44 PM
 friethmiller   
Pics please!
Clean and label all of the spli...   Dec 31 2024, 04:44 PM 
  friethmiller   Engine pics
Tear down:
  
  
  
  
  
  
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 friethmiller   Engine pics
Tear down:
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  friethmiller   More Pics
Camshaft:
  
[u]Camshaft Bearings:
...   Dec 31 2024, 07:06 PM
 friethmiller   More Pics
Camshaft:
  
[u]Camshaft Bearings:
...   Dec 31 2024, 07:06 PM 
  friethmiller   More Pics:
Note: any perpendicular marks are from...   Dec 31 2024, 07:23 PM
 friethmiller   More Pics:
Note: any perpendicular marks are from...   Dec 31 2024, 07:23 PM 
  friethmiller   Crankshaft Journal Measurements:
Note:  main jour...   Dec 31 2024, 07:51 PM
 friethmiller   Crankshaft Journal Measurements:
Note:  main jour...   Dec 31 2024, 07:51 PM 
  technicalninja   Reality check...
I never said anything because it...   Jan 1 2025, 10:28 AM
 technicalninja   Reality check...
I never said anything because it...   Jan 1 2025, 10:28 AM
 
  friethmiller   
Reality check...
I never said anything because i...   Jan 1 2025, 11:06 AM
 friethmiller   
Reality check...
I never said anything because i...   Jan 1 2025, 11:06 AM 
  technicalninja   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depre...   Jan 1 2025, 11:08 AM
 technicalninja   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depre...   Jan 1 2025, 11:08 AM
 
  friethmiller   
Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depr...   Jan 1 2025, 11:19 AM
 friethmiller   
Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depr...   Jan 1 2025, 11:19 AM 
  friethmiller   Web Cam has a 494 grind with a 1” base circle me...   Jan 1 2025, 02:08 PM
 friethmiller   Web Cam has a 494 grind with a 1” base circle me...   Jan 1 2025, 02:08 PM 
  technicalninja   Those might not be JE pistons!
I have 2 new s...   Jan 1 2025, 02:24 PM
 technicalninja   Those might not be JE pistons!
I have 2 new s...   Jan 1 2025, 02:24 PM 
  technicalninja   Looked at that cam. That wouldn't be my first ...   Jan 1 2025, 02:47 PM
 technicalninja   Looked at that cam. That wouldn't be my first ...   Jan 1 2025, 02:47 PM 
  friethmiller   Interesting, I'll take a look here in a bit.  ...   Jan 1 2025, 03:25 PM
 friethmiller   Interesting, I'll take a look here in a bit.  ...   Jan 1 2025, 03:25 PM 
  technicalninja   Flat top 96mm 82 stroke. 593.53 CC swept volume. T...   Jan 1 2025, 03:42 PM
 technicalninja   Flat top 96mm 82 stroke. 593.53 CC swept volume. T...   Jan 1 2025, 03:42 PM 
  technicalninja   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines".
Tha...   Jan 1 2025, 04:03 PM
 technicalninja   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines".
Tha...   Jan 1 2025, 04:03 PM
 
  friethmiller   
Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines".
Th...   Jan 1 2025, 05:56 PM
 friethmiller   
Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines".
Th...   Jan 1 2025, 05:56 PM 
  technicalninja   I noticed it almost looks like those have a solid ...   Jan 1 2025, 04:14 PM
 technicalninja   I noticed it almost looks like those have a solid ...   Jan 1 2025, 04:14 PM 
  Jack Standz   Just some thoughts and first impressions.   
Thos...   Jan 1 2025, 04:56 PM
 Jack Standz   Just some thoughts and first impressions.   
Thos...   Jan 1 2025, 04:56 PM
 
  friethmiller   
Just some thoughts and first impressions.   
Tho...   Jan 1 2025, 06:08 PM
 friethmiller   
Just some thoughts and first impressions.   
Tho...   Jan 1 2025, 06:08 PM 
  Jack Standz   Since you're rebuilding the motor,  let me sup...   Jan 1 2025, 05:20 PM
 Jack Standz   Since you're rebuilding the motor,  let me sup...   Jan 1 2025, 05:20 PM 
  friethmiller   9.7:1 Compression Ratio.  Damn!  That is hot...   Jan 1 2025, 06:20 PM
 friethmiller   9.7:1 Compression Ratio.  Damn!  That is hot...   Jan 1 2025, 06:20 PM 
  technicalninja   Intake and exhaust are fine, should support deep i...   Jan 1 2025, 07:25 PM
 technicalninja   Intake and exhaust are fine, should support deep i...   Jan 1 2025, 07:25 PM 
  technicalninja   The pinning is not a big deal.
Needs to be done o...   Jan 1 2025, 07:33 PM
 technicalninja   The pinning is not a big deal.
Needs to be done o...   Jan 1 2025, 07:33 PM 
  friethmiller   Going to cc the heads first.  I measured the ID of...   Jan 2 2025, 08:56 AM
 friethmiller   Going to cc the heads first.  I measured the ID of...   Jan 2 2025, 08:56 AM 
  technicalninja   The above looks good.
Easier to see the bubbles i...   Jan 2 2025, 09:23 AM
 technicalninja   The above looks good.
Easier to see the bubbles i...   Jan 2 2025, 09:23 AM 
  technicalninja   These might help.
https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyli...   Jan 2 2025, 09:26 AM
 technicalninja   These might help.
https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyli...   Jan 2 2025, 09:26 AM
 
  friethmiller   
These might help.
https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyl...   Jan 2 2025, 09:44 AM
 friethmiller   
These might help.
https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyl...   Jan 2 2025, 09:44 AM 
  Jack Standz   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as t...   Jan 2 2025, 09:29 AM
 Jack Standz   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as t...   Jan 2 2025, 09:29 AM
 
  friethmiller   
If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as ...   Jan 2 2025, 09:46 AM
 friethmiller   
If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as ...   Jan 2 2025, 09:46 AM 
  technicalninja   
If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as...   Jan 2 2025, 09:55 AM
 technicalninja   
If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as...   Jan 2 2025, 09:55 AM 
  VaccaRabite   I've got some opinions here.  
Remember that ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:09 AM
 VaccaRabite   I've got some opinions here.  
Remember that ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:09 AM
 
  friethmiller   
I've got some opinions here.  
...
Zach
Z...   Jan 2 2025, 11:21 AM
 friethmiller   
I've got some opinions here.  
...
Zach
Z...   Jan 2 2025, 11:21 AM 
  technicalninja   
I've got some opinions here.  
Remember that...   Jan 2 2025, 01:49 PM
 technicalninja   
I've got some opinions here.  
Remember that...   Jan 2 2025, 01:49 PM 
  cgnj   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 86...   Jan 2 2025, 02:24 PM
 cgnj   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 86...   Jan 2 2025, 02:24 PM
 
  friethmiller   
Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 8...   Jan 2 2025, 03:16 PM
 friethmiller   
Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 8...   Jan 2 2025, 03:16 PM 
  friethmiller   Ok, Cylinder test via antifreeze titration says 60...   Jan 2 2025, 03:22 PM
 friethmiller   Ok, Cylinder test via antifreeze titration says 60...   Jan 2 2025, 03:22 PM 
  friethmiller   @technicalninja  - Initial look at deck height her...   Jan 2 2025, 09:14 PM
 friethmiller   @technicalninja  - Initial look at deck height her...   Jan 2 2025, 09:14 PM 
  friethmiller   BTW.  I’ll put the head stud back and tighten it...   Jan 2 2025, 09:57 PM
 friethmiller   BTW.  I’ll put the head stud back and tighten it...   Jan 2 2025, 09:57 PM 
  technicalninja   Normal quench, .040"thick,96mm bore is 7.2 cc...   Jan 2 2025, 10:10 PM
 technicalninja   Normal quench, .040"thick,96mm bore is 7.2 cc...   Jan 2 2025, 10:10 PM
 
  friethmiller   
Did FAT supply those pistons?
Yes, crank, cam, ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:19 PM
 friethmiller   
Did FAT supply those pistons?
Yes, crank, cam, ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:19 PM 
  technicalninja   I don't remember what gauges you had...
Minim...   Jan 2 2025, 10:32 PM
 technicalninja   I don't remember what gauges you had...
Minim...   Jan 2 2025, 10:32 PM 
  Jack Standz   VaccaRabite made several good points about the CR....   Jan 3 2025, 12:17 AM
 Jack Standz   VaccaRabite made several good points about the CR....   Jan 3 2025, 12:17 AM 
  friethmiller   Thanks guys!  My head is starting to spin here...   Jan 3 2025, 08:56 AM
 friethmiller   Thanks guys!  My head is starting to spin here...   Jan 3 2025, 08:56 AM 
  technicalninja   I'd go option 1.
JE does offer coatings done ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:17 AM
 technicalninja   I'd go option 1.
JE does offer coatings done ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:17 AM 
  technicalninja   I'd want the cam and its stuff to map out valv...   Jan 3 2025, 09:32 AM
 technicalninja   I'd want the cam and its stuff to map out valv...   Jan 3 2025, 09:32 AM
 
  friethmiller   
Did you verify total stroke?
Need to compare CD...   Jan 3 2025, 09:56 AM
 friethmiller   
Did you verify total stroke?
Need to compare CD...   Jan 3 2025, 09:56 AM 
  technicalninja   Yep, how far down +/- deck height.
Dial caliper w...   Jan 3 2025, 10:14 AM
 technicalninja   Yep, how far down +/- deck height.
Dial caliper w...   Jan 3 2025, 10:14 AM 
  technicalninja   At this "level" of engine I'd expect...   Jan 3 2025, 10:23 AM
 technicalninja   At this "level" of engine I'd expect...   Jan 3 2025, 10:23 AM
 
  friethmiller   
At this "level" of engine I'd expec...   Jan 3 2025, 10:32 AM
 friethmiller   
At this "level" of engine I'd expec...   Jan 3 2025, 10:32 AM 
  friethmiller   Ok :ninja: , I used the two shims under the #1 jug...   Jan 3 2025, 11:02 AM
 friethmiller   Ok :ninja: , I used the two shims under the #1 jug...   Jan 3 2025, 11:02 AM 
  friethmiller   Ok, my 1.7L rocker arms do NOT have elephant feet....   Jan 3 2025, 11:26 AM
 friethmiller   Ok, my 1.7L rocker arms do NOT have elephant feet....   Jan 3 2025, 11:26 AM 
  technicalninja   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...ston...   Jan 3 2025, 11:45 AM
 technicalninja   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...ston...   Jan 3 2025, 11:45 AM
 
  friethmiller   
https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...sto...   Jan 3 2025, 12:05 PM
 friethmiller   
https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...sto...   Jan 3 2025, 12:05 PM 
  cgnj   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 12:59 PM
 cgnj   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 12:59 PM
 
  friethmiller   
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 3 2025, 01:19 PM
 friethmiller   
[b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 3 2025, 01:19 PM 
  densible1   I had EMS http://www.europeanmotorworks.com do the...   Jan 3 2025, 01:31 PM
 densible1   I had EMS http://www.europeanmotorworks.com do the...   Jan 3 2025, 01:31 PM 
  technicalninja   Check with Eric @ Automotive Machine.
https://www...   Jan 3 2025, 02:48 PM
 technicalninja   Check with Eric @ Automotive Machine.
https://www...   Jan 3 2025, 02:48 PM 
  technicalninja   And, if I could, I'd pattern the cam I chose o...   Jan 3 2025, 02:56 PM
 technicalninja   And, if I could, I'd pattern the cam I chose o...   Jan 3 2025, 02:56 PM 
  friethmiller   Thanks Rick, 
I'll take my case and crank (+ ...   Jan 3 2025, 03:17 PM
 friethmiller   Thanks Rick, 
I'll take my case and crank (+ ...   Jan 3 2025, 03:17 PM 
  burton73   @ friethmiller
I just spent a bit of time with Ma...   Jan 3 2025, 03:30 PM
 burton73   @ friethmiller
I just spent a bit of time with Ma...   Jan 3 2025, 03:30 PM 
  densible1   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
 densible1   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
 
  friethmiller   
@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jan 4 2025, 07:40 AM
 friethmiller   
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  burton73   
[quote name='densible1' post='3184740' date='Jan ...   Jan 4 2025, 02:07 PM
 burton73   
[quote name='densible1' post='3184740' date='Jan ...   Jan 4 2025, 02:07 PM 
  Montreal914   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lot...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
 Montreal914   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lot...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
 
  friethmiller   
I am very far from being an expert but I did a lo...   Jan 3 2025, 11:11 PM
 friethmiller   
I am very far from being an expert but I did a lo...   Jan 3 2025, 11:11 PM 
  technicalninja   That RAT engine used those same KBs and a big cam....   Jan 3 2025, 05:58 PM
 technicalninja   That RAT engine used those same KBs and a big cam....   Jan 3 2025, 05:58 PM 
  cgnj   @Montreal914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 3 2025, 06:55 PM
 cgnj   @Montreal914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 3 2025, 06:55 PM
 
  friethmiller   
I have 3 cases that I'm going to drop off soo...   Jan 4 2025, 05:51 AM
 friethmiller   
I have 3 cases that I'm going to drop off soo...   Jan 4 2025, 05:51 AM 
  technicalninja   It would be useful to have the shim measurements.
...   Jan 3 2025, 09:10 PM
 technicalninja   It would be useful to have the shim measurements.
...   Jan 3 2025, 09:10 PM
 
  friethmiller   
It would be useful to have the shim measurements....   Jan 3 2025, 10:25 PM
 friethmiller   
It would be useful to have the shim measurements....   Jan 3 2025, 10:25 PM 
  Montreal914   2270 = 78.4 x 96mm
2258 = 78 x 96mm
78.4 cranks w...   Jan 4 2025, 09:16 AM
 Montreal914   2270 = 78.4 x 96mm
2258 = 78 x 96mm
78.4 cranks w...   Jan 4 2025, 09:16 AM 
  cgnj   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray gr...   Jan 4 2025, 11:19 AM
 cgnj   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray gr...   Jan 4 2025, 11:19 AM
 
  friethmiller   
Since we are all spending your money, oil spray g...   Jan 6 2025, 01:59 PM
 friethmiller   
Since we are all spending your money, oil spray g...   Jan 6 2025, 01:59 PM 
  technicalninja   
[quote name='technicalninja' post='3184830' date=...   Jan 4 2025, 11:32 AM
 technicalninja   
[quote name='technicalninja' post='3184830' date=...   Jan 4 2025, 11:32 AM 
  technicalninja   I would LOVE to know why the pics don't post o...   Jan 4 2025, 02:55 PM
 technicalninja   I would LOVE to know why the pics don't post o...   Jan 4 2025, 02:55 PM 
  Superhawk996   100mm
   Jan 4 2025, 03:37 PM
 Superhawk996   100mm
   Jan 4 2025, 03:37 PM 
  technicalninja   At this level of build I would be hunting thermal ...   Jan 4 2025, 03:45 PM
 technicalninja   At this level of build I would be hunting thermal ...   Jan 4 2025, 03:45 PM 
  technicalninja   Thanks SH!
Look at how thick the walls are. T...   Jan 4 2025, 04:01 PM
 technicalninja   Thanks SH!
Look at how thick the walls are. T...   Jan 4 2025, 04:01 PM 
  technicalninja   Need P-W clearance. If they "sized for forged...   Jan 4 2025, 04:24 PM
 technicalninja   Need P-W clearance. If they "sized for forged...   Jan 4 2025, 04:24 PM 
  friethmiller   Just got back in from welding on the front cross p...   Jan 4 2025, 04:42 PM
 friethmiller   Just got back in from welding on the front cross p...   Jan 4 2025, 04:42 PM 
  technicalninja   and yet another thought...
I slipped a set of sto...   Jan 4 2025, 05:05 PM
 technicalninja   and yet another thought...
I slipped a set of sto...   Jan 4 2025, 05:05 PM 
  friethmiller   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston sk...   Jan 4 2025, 08:18 PM
 friethmiller   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston sk...   Jan 4 2025, 08:18 PM 
  technicalninja   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the p...   Jan 4 2025, 08:32 PM
 technicalninja   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the p...   Jan 4 2025, 08:32 PM
 
  friethmiller   
You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the ...   Jan 4 2025, 09:13 PM
 friethmiller   
You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the ...   Jan 4 2025, 09:13 PM 
  technicalninja   That range is GREAT!
It almost looks like a ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:04 AM
 technicalninja   That range is GREAT!
It almost looks like a ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:04 AM 
  technicalninja   You have accurate tools. 
You measured close to ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:25 AM
 technicalninja   You have accurate tools. 
You measured close to ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:25 AM
 
  friethmiller   
You have accurate tools. 
You measured close to ...   Jan 5 2025, 10:20 AM
 friethmiller   
You have accurate tools. 
You measured close to ...   Jan 5 2025, 10:20 AM 
  technicalninja   It's both the sight and the feel in tenths...
...   Jan 5 2025, 01:43 PM
 technicalninja   It's both the sight and the feel in tenths...
...   Jan 5 2025, 01:43 PM 
  technicalninja   
:ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston s...   Jan 5 2025, 03:39 PM
 technicalninja   
:ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston s...   Jan 5 2025, 03:39 PM|   | 
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