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> Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread
friethmiller
post Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM
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[A softball question for the Ninja and/or others]

This is the cam card that came with my 2357 engine, which was originally built by Rimco/Fat (long block) a few years ago. Can someone explain why with an intake/exhaust of 448, the lift was only set to 327 degrees? I'm about to rebuild my motor and a lot of focus will be directed at piston "deck clearance" and the valve train geometry that wasn't set correctly. Thanks.

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post Jan 4 2025, 02:55 PM
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I would LOVE to know why the pics don't post over.
They show up in "preview" just fine but when you try to include them in the reply you look like a moron...
Sometimes they post over fine as well
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QUOTE(friethmiller @ Dec 31 2024, 05:39 PM) *

Engine pics

Tear down:

#3 Main (split) Bearing. Notice scoring on backside. Plastigauge says clearance is between .002 - .003 but closer to .003 (too much clearance).





Not sure how damaged those are, might be less than it looks. I'd check crank for straightness first.

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Camshaft Bearings:




These look worse than the mains...
They look "pinched"
There IS a chance that it is because of the bearing manufacture and all do this now.
This MIGHT be "normal". I'd install the cam and old bearings in the case halves and see "how it fit" If I could.


Crankshaft:



Crankcase:


I'm not seeing fresh machine work here...
Did they just "verify" line bore or do it?


QUOTE(friethmiller @ Dec 31 2024, 07:23 PM) *

More Pics:

Note: any perpendicular marks are from my dial bore gauge

More pics of main bearings:



Bearing #1 (small one): Looks like a tiny bit off center, not horrible.



Bearing #2:



Bearing #3: See previous images of split bearing.

Bearing #4 (Rear main):


These bearings look OK to me

Heads (cylinder side):



This shows the area I would want machined perfect before the engine went back together. Where the jug "contacts" is what I'm after. The far-left chamber appears "brinelled" in this area. Small pits of material are missing. This is the most stressed seal surface in the engine. The Nickies fix here is to go big bore in the OD (requiring machine work to heads) and then using THICK walls. You're stuck with THIN!
This is one of "limiters" on this engine and needs to be PERFECT!.
Improving that seal is the reason I would research higher strength head studs. (mentioned before).



@Superhawk996 , can you please post the pic of your Nickies showing this?
That would help me emphasize this point.

I'd check the crank for straightness with a set of V-blocks. You can half/ass do this with the main bearings, one case halve, and the crank. Install end bearings on crank, drop in case. Dial indicator on center journal, rotate crank.

V-blocks mounted on a bench makes it easier and allows you to check "run out" on any of the journals.
If the crank is bent...
This is easy and inexpensive to test as long as you already have the dial indicator.
V blocks can be made out of anything. Metal and hard plastic are better IMO.
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friethmiller   Fred's 2375 Rebuild Thread   Dec 31 2024, 12:12 PM
technicalninja   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe....   Dec 31 2024, 12:31 PM
friethmiller   It's probably showing actual lift of the lobe...   Dec 31 2024, 12:45 PM
technicalninja   looking again that whole cam card is at .050! ...   Dec 31 2024, 12:50 PM
friethmiller   looking again that whole cam card is at .050...   Dec 31 2024, 01:09 PM
technicalninja   I'd have to see the cam card on it. I'd l...   Dec 31 2024, 01:38 PM
technicalninja   Changing cam in a T4 means "all the way down...   Dec 31 2024, 02:13 PM
friethmiller   Ok, I've changed to name of this thread to han...   Dec 31 2024, 02:50 PM
technicalninja   WOW! Was that engine in the car the time you ...   Dec 31 2024, 03:28 PM
technicalninja   Pics please! Clean and label all of the split...   Dec 31 2024, 03:39 PM
friethmiller   Pics please! Clean and label all of the spli...   Dec 31 2024, 04:44 PM
friethmiller   Engine pics Tear down: ...   Dec 31 2024, 05:39 PM
friethmiller   More Pics Camshaft: [u]Camshaft Bearings: ...   Dec 31 2024, 07:06 PM
friethmiller   More Pics: Note: any perpendicular marks are from...   Dec 31 2024, 07:23 PM
friethmiller   Crankshaft Journal Measurements: Note: main jour...   Dec 31 2024, 07:51 PM
technicalninja   Reality check... I never said anything because it...   Jan 1 2025, 10:28 AM
friethmiller   Reality check... I never said anything because i...   Jan 1 2025, 11:06 AM
technicalninja   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depre...   Jan 1 2025, 11:08 AM
friethmiller   Are the pistons true flat tops with no valve depr...   Jan 1 2025, 11:19 AM
technicalninja   I MAY have a close machine shop. Replacing everyt...   Jan 1 2025, 11:28 AM
friethmiller   Web Cam has a 494 grind with a 1” base circle me...   Jan 1 2025, 02:08 PM
technicalninja   Those might not be JE pistons! I have 2 new s...   Jan 1 2025, 02:24 PM
technicalninja   Looked at that cam. That wouldn't be my first ...   Jan 1 2025, 02:47 PM
friethmiller   Interesting, I'll take a look here in a bit. ...   Jan 1 2025, 03:25 PM
technicalninja   Flat top 96mm 82 stroke. 593.53 CC swept volume. T...   Jan 1 2025, 03:42 PM
technicalninja   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines". Tha...   Jan 1 2025, 04:03 PM
friethmiller   Those ARE Keith Black "silverlines". Th...   Jan 1 2025, 05:56 PM
technicalninja   I noticed it almost looks like those have a solid ...   Jan 1 2025, 04:14 PM
Jack Standz   Just some thoughts and first impressions. Thos...   Jan 1 2025, 04:56 PM
friethmiller   Just some thoughts and first impressions. Tho...   Jan 1 2025, 06:08 PM
Jack Standz   Since you're rebuilding the motor, let me sup...   Jan 1 2025, 05:20 PM
friethmiller   9.7:1 Compression Ratio. Damn! That is hot...   Jan 1 2025, 06:20 PM
technicalninja   Intake and exhaust are fine, should support deep i...   Jan 1 2025, 07:25 PM
technicalninja   The pinning is not a big deal. Needs to be done o...   Jan 1 2025, 07:33 PM
friethmiller   Going to cc the heads first. I measured the ID of...   Jan 2 2025, 08:56 AM
technicalninja   The above looks good. Easier to see the bubbles i...   Jan 2 2025, 09:23 AM
technicalninja   These might help. https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyli...   Jan 2 2025, 09:26 AM
friethmiller   These might help. https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Cyl...   Jan 2 2025, 09:44 AM
Jack Standz   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as t...   Jan 2 2025, 09:29 AM
friethmiller   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as ...   Jan 2 2025, 09:46 AM
technicalninja   If/when you get around to ceracoating things, as...   Jan 2 2025, 09:55 AM
VaccaRabite   I've got some opinions here. Remember that ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:09 AM
friethmiller   I've got some opinions here. ... Zach Z...   Jan 2 2025, 11:21 AM
technicalninja   I've got some opinions here. Remember that...   Jan 2 2025, 01:49 PM
cgnj   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 86...   Jan 2 2025, 02:24 PM
friethmiller   Falcor75 2270 made 158 to the wheels with 10:1, 8...   Jan 2 2025, 03:16 PM
friethmiller   Ok, Cylinder test via antifreeze titration says 60...   Jan 2 2025, 03:22 PM
friethmiller   @technicalninja - Initial look at deck height her...   Jan 2 2025, 09:14 PM
friethmiller   BTW. I’ll put the head stud back and tighten it...   Jan 2 2025, 09:57 PM
technicalninja   Normal quench, .040"thick,96mm bore is 7.2 cc...   Jan 2 2025, 10:10 PM
friethmiller   Did FAT supply those pistons? Yes, crank, cam, ...   Jan 2 2025, 10:19 PM
technicalninja   I don't remember what gauges you had... Minim...   Jan 2 2025, 10:32 PM
Jack Standz   VaccaRabite made several good points about the CR....   Jan 3 2025, 12:17 AM
friethmiller   Thanks guys! My head is starting to spin here...   Jan 3 2025, 08:56 AM
technicalninja   I'd go option 1. JE does offer coatings done ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:17 AM
technicalninja   I'd want the cam and its stuff to map out valv...   Jan 3 2025, 09:32 AM
friethmiller   Did you verify total stroke? Need to compare CD...   Jan 3 2025, 09:56 AM
technicalninja   Yep, how far down +/- deck height. Dial caliper w...   Jan 3 2025, 10:14 AM
technicalninja   At this "level" of engine I'd expect...   Jan 3 2025, 10:23 AM
friethmiller   At this "level" of engine I'd expec...   Jan 3 2025, 10:32 AM
friethmiller   Ok :ninja: , I used the two shims under the #1 jug...   Jan 3 2025, 11:02 AM
friethmiller   Ok, my 1.7L rocker arms do NOT have elephant feet....   Jan 3 2025, 11:26 AM
technicalninja   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...ston...   Jan 3 2025, 11:45 AM
friethmiller   https://aapistons.com/collections/porsche-p...sto...   Jan 3 2025, 12:05 PM
cgnj   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 12:59 PM
friethmiller   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 3 2025, 01:19 PM
densible1   I had EMS http://www.europeanmotorworks.com do the...   Jan 3 2025, 01:31 PM
technicalninja   Check with Eric @ Automotive Machine. https://www...   Jan 3 2025, 02:48 PM
technicalninja   And, if I could, I'd pattern the cam I chose o...   Jan 3 2025, 02:56 PM
friethmiller   Thanks Rick, I'll take my case and crank (+ ...   Jan 3 2025, 03:17 PM
burton73   @ friethmiller I just spent a bit of time with Ma...   Jan 3 2025, 03:30 PM
densible1   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
friethmiller   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jan 4 2025, 07:40 AM
burton73   [quote name='densible1' post='3184740' date='Jan ...   Jan 4 2025, 02:07 PM
Montreal914   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lot...   Jan 3 2025, 04:09 PM
friethmiller   I am very far from being an expert but I did a lo...   Jan 3 2025, 11:11 PM
technicalninja   That RAT engine used those same KBs and a big cam....   Jan 3 2025, 05:58 PM
cgnj   @Montreal914 [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 3 2025, 06:55 PM
friethmiller   I have 3 cases that I'm going to drop off soo...   Jan 4 2025, 05:51 AM
technicalninja   It would be useful to have the shim measurements. ...   Jan 3 2025, 09:10 PM
friethmiller   It would be useful to have the shim measurements....   Jan 3 2025, 10:25 PM
Montreal914   2270 = 78.4 x 96mm 2258 = 78 x 96mm 78.4 cranks w...   Jan 4 2025, 09:16 AM
cgnj   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray gr...   Jan 4 2025, 11:19 AM
friethmiller   Since we are all spending your money, oil spray g...   Jan 6 2025, 01:59 PM
technicalninja   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3184830' date=...   Jan 4 2025, 11:32 AM
technicalninja   I would LOVE to know why the pics don't post o...   Jan 4 2025, 02:55 PM
Superhawk996   100mm   Jan 4 2025, 03:37 PM
technicalninja   At this level of build I would be hunting thermal ...   Jan 4 2025, 03:45 PM
technicalninja   Thanks SH! Look at how thick the walls are. T...   Jan 4 2025, 04:01 PM
technicalninja   Need P-W clearance. If they "sized for forged...   Jan 4 2025, 04:24 PM
friethmiller   Just got back in from welding on the front cross p...   Jan 4 2025, 04:42 PM
technicalninja   and yet another thought... I slipped a set of sto...   Jan 4 2025, 05:05 PM
friethmiller   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston sk...   Jan 4 2025, 08:18 PM
technicalninja   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the p...   Jan 4 2025, 08:32 PM
friethmiller   You need to be halfway down the skirt, below the ...   Jan 4 2025, 09:13 PM
technicalninja   That range is GREAT! It almost looks like a ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:04 AM
technicalninja   You have accurate tools. You measured close to ....   Jan 5 2025, 12:25 AM
friethmiller   You have accurate tools. You measured close to ...   Jan 5 2025, 10:20 AM
technicalninja   It's both the sight and the feel in tenths... ...   Jan 5 2025, 01:43 PM
technicalninja   :ninja: Used a digital micrometer on all piston s...   Jan 5 2025, 03:39 PM
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