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> Compression Ratio, Will I be able to tell the difference?
sdoolin
post Feb 7 2025, 04:42 PM
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Rebuilding(ish) my 2056. On my first build I was able to achieve a compression ratio of very nearly 9.0:1. With this build, I am having to add .020 spacers below the jugs to get any measurable deck height in the jugs. I am calculating a compression ratio of 8.6:1.

Will I notice the loss in compression ratio?
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post Feb 16 2025, 04:30 PM
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No discernible crank end play is a no-go.

Redo until it is correct. Likely shims weren’t correctly measured / calculated. There is no harm in doing this several times to be sure it’s correct. When doing the mockup / measurement of shims the flywheel must be fully installed and torqued so that the flywheel s firmly seated to the crank. Personally I set and measure end play before installing the RMS since you need to remove / install flywheel several times to get the right shim selected and measured.

Disregard spinning the crank measurement that has no relevance to crank end play.

Hint #1: when you make this measurement the dial indicator must be perpendicular to the the flywheel. May just the the angle of the photo but to me it looks like it is at an angle.

Hint #2: mount your dial indicator to the engine. You want the relative measurement between the case and the flywheel only. Mounting the indicator to the engine stand adds error and uncertainty to what you are trying to measure . Alternatively you could have the magnetic base on the flywheel and the dial indicator touching off the case.
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post Feb 17 2025, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Feb 16 2025, 05:30 PM) *

No discernible crank end play is a no-go.

Redo until it is correct. Likely shims weren’t correctly measured / calculated. There is no harm in doing this several times to be sure it’s correct. When doing the mockup / measurement of shims the flywheel must be fully installed and torqued so that the flywheel s firmly seated to the crank. Personally I set and measure end play before installing the RMS since you need to remove / install flywheel several times to get the right shim selected and measured.

Disregard spinning the crank measurement that has no relevance to crank end play.

Hint #1: when you make this measurement the dial indicator must be perpendicular to the the flywheel. May just the the angle of the photo but to me it looks like it is at an angle.

Hint #2: mount your dial indicator to the engine. You want the relative measurement between the case and the flywheel only. Mounting the indicator to the engine stand adds error and uncertainty to what you are trying to measure . Alternatively you could have the magnetic base on the flywheel and the dial indicator touching off the case.


Thank you Superhawk. I only installed the RMS as I had measured for the third shim and figured (wrongly) that I'd be good to go. I will re-measure all of this, and will attach the dial indicator to the flywheel as you suggest. I had not thought of that. I have a total of 6 shims, so hopefully some combination of them will work.
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sdoolin   Compression Ratio   Feb 7 2025, 04:42 PM
technicalninja   You need AT LEAST .036 with cast and .040+ with fo...   Feb 7 2025, 05:38 PM
sdoolin   Measured deck height in the jug, with an .020 spac...   Feb 7 2025, 06:02 PM
Superhawk996   Sounds like you are playing with fire. Without se...   Feb 7 2025, 06:21 PM
sdoolin   Sounds like you are playing with fire. Without s...   Feb 7 2025, 07:26 PM
Superhawk996   Sounds like you are playing with fire. Without ...   Feb 7 2025, 07:30 PM
technicalninja   Measured deck height in the jug, with an .020 spa...   Feb 7 2025, 06:57 PM
sdoolin   Yep, I don't want this help. Y'all go buil...   Feb 7 2025, 07:27 PM
worn   Yep, I don't want this help. Y'all go bui...   Feb 14 2025, 07:12 PM
sdoolin   Yep, I don't want this help. Y'all go bu...   Feb 15 2025, 08:44 AM
sdoolin   I especially like the turd bit.   Feb 7 2025, 07:29 PM
sdoolin   Superhawk thank you for your reasonable response. ...   Feb 7 2025, 07:33 PM
Superhawk996   Superhawk thank you for your reasonable response....   Feb 7 2025, 07:44 PM
Jack Standz   Rebuilding(ish) my 2056. On my first build I was ...   Feb 8 2025, 03:05 AM
sdoolin   Rebuilding(ish) my 2056. On my first build I was...   Feb 8 2025, 07:35 AM
sdoolin   Bolted things up on one side of the engine today a...   Feb 8 2025, 12:37 PM
Superhawk996   0.100” clearance to the exhaust valve is startin...   Feb 8 2025, 01:43 PM
Jack Standz   Bolted things up on one side of the engine today ...   Feb 8 2025, 03:04 PM
sdoolin   Thank you both for the thoughtful replies. My orig...   Feb 8 2025, 04:32 PM
Superhawk996   0.140” - 0.150” clearance to exhaust valves is...   Feb 8 2025, 10:28 PM
sdoolin   Measured valve lift a bunch of times today. Worst ...   Feb 9 2025, 05:03 PM
sdoolin   I'll likely button this engine up this weekend...   Feb 14 2025, 02:27 PM
Jack Standz   Modified #2. Bolt transmission to engine. Remove...   Feb 14 2025, 04:41 PM
sdoolin   Modified #2. Bolt transmission to engine. Remov...   Feb 15 2025, 08:38 AM
930cabman   Have you checked crankshaft end play?   Feb 14 2025, 04:52 PM
sdoolin   Have you checked crankshaft end play? So I re-c...   Feb 16 2025, 04:08 PM
Al Meredith   Years ago when Len Hoffman was rebuilding heads he...   Feb 15 2025, 05:02 PM
worn   Years ago when Len Hoffman was rebuilding heads h...   Feb 15 2025, 08:49 PM
Superhawk996   No discernible crank end play is a no-go. Redo ...   Feb 16 2025, 04:30 PM
sdoolin   No discernible crank end play is a no-go. Redo...   Feb 17 2025, 08:09 AM
stownsen914   Separate from the crank end play, if you are askin...   Feb 17 2025, 08:15 AM
sdoolin   Separate from the crank end play, if you are aski...   Feb 17 2025, 01:16 PM
sdoolin   I have measured all of the shims I have on hand (6...   Feb 18 2025, 05:25 PM
sdoolin   So, I re-measured crank end play. Installed flywhe...   Feb 22 2025, 01:05 PM
Superhawk996   Am I looking for .004" thrust with all thr...   Feb 22 2025, 01:16 PM
sdoolin   Thank you Superhawk. Installed third shim, remeasu...   Feb 22 2025, 02:04 PM
Superhawk996   Thank you Superhawk. Installed third shim, remeas...   Feb 22 2025, 07:09 PM
Jack Standz   Add a cable from the negative side of the battery ...   Feb 22 2025, 02:24 PM
Superhawk996   I’m going to ask a question that I’ve assumed ...   Feb 22 2025, 07:17 PM
sdoolin   I’m going to ask a question that I’ve assumed...   Feb 23 2025, 09:20 AM
Jack Standz   It's a good idea to fill the oil filter with o...   Feb 23 2025, 02:51 PM
sdoolin   I have confused myself. It happens. Having re-in...   Feb 27 2025, 10:37 AM
Superhawk996   Follow the Haynes or factory manual to instill the...   Feb 27 2025, 12:15 PM
sdoolin   Follow the Haynes or factory manual to instill th...   Feb 27 2025, 04:02 PM
sdoolin   Engine went in on Friday. Easy peasy. After I pour...   Mar 2 2025, 05:23 PM
sdoolin   Could this be a faulty oil pressure sending switch...   Mar 3 2025, 10:30 AM
VaccaRabite   Could this be a faulty oil pressure sending switc...   Mar 3 2025, 11:35 AM
Superhawk996   If it were me I would not be starting the engine j...   Mar 3 2025, 12:53 PM
sdoolin   Installed my brand new oil pressure test gauge (Ha...   Mar 3 2025, 04:20 PM
VaccaRabite   Your pressure is high because the oil is cold and ...   Mar 4 2025, 06:20 AM
rfinegan   Woohoo glad you get the pressure...sounds like the...   Mar 4 2025, 09:03 AM
sdoolin   Yep, cold oil and running (expensive) Brad Penn 20...   Mar 4 2025, 09:10 AM
sdoolin   She's alive, and running well(ish). Drove abou...   Mar 11 2025, 10:55 AM
930cabman   She's alive, and running well(ish). Drove abo...   Mar 11 2025, 12:17 PM
friethmiller   @sdoolin , Congrats! Glad the build was succ...   Mar 11 2025, 11:54 AM
sdoolin   Moving on to some other fiddly projects. Oil press...   Mar 11 2025, 02:56 PM


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