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> Cold Start Issue 914-4, Admitting I'm stuck and asking for help
Blue Lightning
post Mar 16 2025, 06:20 PM
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Car: 1976 2.0, FI

Background: bought in November last year. I am least the 4th owner. Drove a couple times, then plugged up the fuel filter (? no fuel pressure when the fuel pump was running, but see note below on replacing the fuel pressure regulator), so spent a couple months with the gas tank out and replacing the fuel lines, pump (and yes, filter). Read a lot in the meantime, so corrected vacuum line issues (vac advance was connected, replaced all the lines that didn't already look new, added hose clamps). But where the car started and ran well last year, I can't get it to happily start any longer. While cranking, it will skip and catch. After a few minutes of cranking (and skipping and catching) it will finally start and run fine for a few minutes but only idle around 1000 rpm (until the AAR warms up the rest of the way?), then dies. Starter fluid has no effect, so guessing it is running rich? Pulling the air hose off the cold start injector while running causes the idle to increase to maybe 1400 rpm (but with hunting, as you might expect with that big leak). There are a lot of threads on what to look for when the engine is running lean, but few on it running rich.

Some things I have checked:
- AAR works (https://youtu.be/YmO1ZCLDB7g)
- Compression is good (130-140 psi cold)
- Replaced the MPS last weekend with new one from autoatlanta, after finding the previous one would not hold a vacuum
- Replaced fuel pressure regulator after finding it bad (yes, I've been told these never go bad, but this one would not hold any pressure). Fuel pressure set to ~29 psi.
- Timing is good (~27 degrees at 3500 rpm with vac retard disconnected)
- Vac retard mechanism is working (checked with vacuum pump)
- Spark on all 4 cylinders (checked by timing light)
- Smoke tested the intake...only leaks now are the bearings on the throttle plate
- CHT reads 2k at cold, ~250ohms at warm/hot (at splice connector)
- Plugs look okay (see attached)
- Fuel injectors are all spitting fuel (checked into bottles...all about the same) and have new seals
- idle adjust screw has some control, but I cannot get the idle above 1000 rpm with it
- valves adjusted back in December (my first time, but the car runs so I assume I didn't do too bad of a job?)

I'm at a loss of what to try next. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) I'd like to consider myself fairly good with cars (we have a 1966 Mustang, as well as a Mazda RX-8 that I have kept running for >20 years), but I'm about ready to throw in the towel and have the 914 towed to someone smarter than me!

Thoughts?


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Blue Lightning
post Mar 17 2025, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Mar 17 2025, 10:51 AM) *

Original distributor?

Yes, with a Pertronix (the 1847v module that belongs in these cars). Odometer shows 80k miles, and based upon the records I have I don't have any reason to believe it has rolled.

I've looked at the 123Ignition replacements, but didn't want to change too much all at once (for the same reason I'm having problems now).
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Blue Lightning   Cold Start Issue 914-4   Mar 16 2025, 06:20 PM
Lockwodo   This resource from the 914 Tech Notebook is a real...   Mar 17 2025, 09:10 AM
emerygt350   If they sold you an MPS then hopefully he can help...   Mar 17 2025, 09:51 AM
Blue Lightning   This resource from the 914 Tech Notebook is a rea...   Mar 17 2025, 10:54 AM
Blue Lightning   Original distributor? Yes, with a Pertronix (the...   Mar 17 2025, 11:03 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, that's a tough decision. A leak will no...   Mar 17 2025, 01:07 PM
Superhawk996   Pulling the air hose off the cold start injector...   Mar 17 2025, 02:30 PM
emerygt350   I haven't looked in a while but doesn't th...   Mar 17 2025, 02:52 PM
Blue Lightning   Pulling the air hose off the cold start injecto...   Mar 17 2025, 06:08 PM
Blue Lightning   Yeah, that's a tough decision. A leak will n...   Mar 17 2025, 06:17 PM
Superhawk996   It ran "fine" (as in it would start an...   Mar 17 2025, 07:04 PM
Superhawk996   In photo of the plug - why does the compression w...   Mar 17 2025, 07:09 PM
emerygt350   What hawk said.   Mar 18 2025, 05:30 AM
Blue Lightning   Has your oil temp gauge previously worked properl...   Mar 18 2025, 07:12 AM
Superhawk996   Got it - agree; set aside cooling issues for the m...   Mar 18 2025, 07:49 AM
Superhawk996   Would be useful to see condition of all 4 spark pl...   Mar 18 2025, 07:51 AM
Blue Lightning   Got it - agree; set aside cooling issues for the ...   Mar 18 2025, 11:19 AM
Superhawk996   How do you know you didn’t buy it with a mouse h...   Mar 18 2025, 11:58 AM
L-Jet914   If you plan on removing the CHT sensor be sure to ...   Mar 18 2025, 12:11 PM
Blue Lightning   In photo of the plug - why does the compression ...   Mar 18 2025, 04:16 PM
Superhawk996   Good - proper starting fluid. So about the onl...   Mar 18 2025, 07:06 PM
Blue Lightning   So about the only reason that stuff won’t burn ...   Mar 19 2025, 11:01 AM
Superhawk996   With all due respect, you’re missing the point a...   Mar 19 2025, 11:23 AM
T.Rick6   :wttc: Welcome to the madness; once sorted these...   Mar 19 2025, 12:08 PM


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