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> Will not start after a 13-year hibernation, 1973 2.0 D-Jet
Alden
post Mar 26 2025, 07:33 PM
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Ran well before storing in a dry shed.

Evaluated the fuel system and installed new:
fuel tank
fuel level sending unit
fuel tank screen
fuel filter
Cohline 2240 & Gates Barricade fuel hose
rebuilt Bosch 3 port fuel pump
(4) Standard Motor Products JF67 Injectors

Verified the stainless-steel tunnel and engine fuel lines are clear.

Applied 12 volts directly to the fuel pump to prime system. Fuel is circulating (can hear the gurgling of the return in the tank).

Ignition in the ON position the fuel pump primes (can hear running for 1-2 seconds).
Ignition in the START position fuel pump runs (verified with voltmeter, can't hear running due to engine cranking).

Ignition in the ON position apply throttle can hear fuel injectors click.

Engine will run with starting fluid.

Could it be fuel pressure? Fuel pressure regulator go bad from non-use or E10 fuel?
(E10 fuel destroyed my Cohline 2134 fuel hose and Bosch fuel pump)

Don't know if this could be a factor, sometimes in the START position, nothing, have to return to ON position and retry. Failing ignition switch?

What else should I look for?

Found a video from May 2017, started after sitting for 5 years.Attached File  Clip3.mov ( 2.42mb ) Number of downloads: 21
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Alden
post Apr 1 2025, 11:55 PM
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When the key is turned to the accessory "ON" position (no engine cranking) the fuel pump comes on for 1-2 seconds. I apply the throttle and hear the fuel injectors click. I then unplug the fuel injection harness connectors from the injectors and plug in the noid light and apply the throttle and the niod light lights up.

When the key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking), fuel pressure rises to 26 psi, engine doesn't attempt to start, just spins. I then unplug the fuel injection harness connectors from the injectors and plug in the noid light, key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking) and noid light does not light up.



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post Apr 2 2025, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(Alden @ Apr 1 2025, 10:55 PM) *


When the key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking), fuel pressure rises to 26 psi, engine doesn't attempt to start, just spins. I then unplug the fuel injection harness connectors from the injectors and plug in the noid light, key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking) and noid light does not light up.


The above is incongruent with "engine will run with starting fluid." Not sure what is going on here, could be something simple like a bad connection somewhere.
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post Apr 2 2025, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Apr 2 2025, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(Alden @ Apr 1 2025, 10:55 PM) *


When the key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking), fuel pressure rises to 26 psi, engine doesn't attempt to start, just spins. I then unplug the fuel injection harness connectors from the injectors and plug in the noid light, key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking) and noid light does not light up.


The above is incongruent with "engine will run with starting fluid." Not sure what is going on here, could be something simple like a bad connection somewhere.

Not necessarily.

If fuel injectors aren’t firing while cranking, it won’t start but would cough / “run” on starting fluid.

The weird thing is OP says the injectors fire when moving throttle / TPS.


Question 1: if you have fuel pressure present at the injectors, and use the TPS to fire the injectors (with fuel pressure present), that dumps gasoline into the intake and valves. If you then attempt to crank and start - does it cough or try to run at least momentarily?

Question 2: where are you measuring fuel pressure at on the diagram below?
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post Apr 2 2025, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Apr 2 2025, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(Alden @ Apr 1 2025, 10:55 PM) *


When the key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking), fuel pressure rises to 26 psi, engine doesn't attempt to start, just spins. I then unplug the fuel injection harness connectors from the injectors and plug in the noid light, key is turned to the "START" position (engine cranking) and noid light does not light up.


The above is incongruent with "engine will run with starting fluid." Not sure what is going on here, could be something simple like a bad connection somewhere.

Not necessarily.

If fuel injectors aren’t firing while cranking, it won’t start but would cough / “run” on starting fluid.

The weird thing is OP says the injectors fire when moving throttle / TPS.


Question 1: if you have fuel pressure present at the injectors, and use the TPS to fire the injectors (with fuel pressure present), that dumps gasoline into the intake and valves. If you then attempt to crank and start - does it cough or try to run at least momentarily?

Question 2: where are you measuring fuel pressure at on the diagram below?
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Verified trigger points connection at the distributor.

I supplied the fuel pump with a standalone (independent from the car) 12 volt connection, fuel pump constantly running at 26 psi. Turned key to the accessory "ON" position (no engine cranking),
applied throttle and heard fuel injectors clicking. Quickly unconnected standalone 12 volt supply to the fuel pump and connected the fuel pump as normal. Turned key to the "START" position
(engine cranking) and the car ran momentarily like with starting fluid. Additional attempts to start, engine just spinning. When engine cranking verified fuel pressure is 26 psi.

Fuel pressure gauge attached with a "T" just before the driver's side fuel rail at fuel injector 2.
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Alden   Will not start after a 13-year hibernation   Mar 26 2025, 07:33 PM
davep   Yes, it could certainly be the ignition switch, th...   Mar 26 2025, 07:54 PM
Dlee6205   Engine will run with starting fluid. Could it b...   Mar 26 2025, 08:41 PM
914outlaw   “ Ignition in the ON position apply throttle can...   Mar 26 2025, 09:08 PM
emerygt350   verify fuel pressure. Try not to mess with anythi...   Mar 27 2025, 05:13 AM
rgalla9146   Are your supply and return lines reversed ? The...   Mar 27 2025, 05:27 AM
Olympic 914   I see you are out in the Philly area. Maybe som...   Mar 27 2025, 06:51 AM
TheCabinetmaker   I agree with Rgalla. Typical symptoms of reversed ...   Mar 27 2025, 10:10 AM
rick 918-S   I agree with Rgalla. Typical symptoms of reversed...   Mar 27 2025, 10:49 AM
VaccaRabite   Confirm fuel pressure with a gauge at the fuel pre...   Mar 27 2025, 10:20 AM
Alden   Verified fuel lines are routed correctly and fuel ...   Apr 1 2025, 07:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   Please quickly check before doing anything else. ...   Apr 1 2025, 07:36 PM
Alden   Please quickly check before doing anything else. ...   Apr 1 2025, 07:54 PM
JeffBowlsby   Those are good signs. The injector grounds seem t...   Apr 1 2025, 09:02 PM
Alden   Those are good signs. The injector grounds seem ...   Apr 1 2025, 09:37 PM
Alden   Those are good signs. The injector grounds seem ...   Apr 1 2025, 10:18 PM
JeffBowlsby   The injectors click but it is fuel starved. Fue...   Apr 1 2025, 10:26 PM
Alden   The injectors click but it is fuel starved. Fu...   Apr 1 2025, 10:47 PM
Alden   The injectors click but it is fuel starved. Fu...   Apr 2 2025, 03:15 PM
JeffBowlsby   Not sure I am understanding certain phrases being ...   Apr 1 2025, 11:16 PM
Alden   When the key is turned to the accessory "ON...   Apr 1 2025, 11:55 PM
JeffBowlsby   When the key is turned to the "START" ...   Apr 2 2025, 09:34 AM
Superhawk996   When the key is turned to the "START...   Apr 2 2025, 09:53 AM
Alden   [quote name='JeffBowlsby' post='3199331' date='Ap...   Apr 2 2025, 03:17 PM
emerygt350   The clicking is the result of the TPS. That is go...   Apr 2 2025, 05:38 AM
Superhawk996   Does the seat belt lock out stop the fuel or the...   Apr 2 2025, 07:11 AM
emerygt350   Does the seat belt lock out stop the fuel or th...   Apr 2 2025, 01:09 PM
emerygt350   Check the resistance on the mps while you are at i...   Apr 2 2025, 03:54 PM
Alden   Check the resistance on the mps while you are at ...   Apr 2 2025, 06:59 PM
Superhawk996   Taking everything you said from post 27 as fact. ...   Apr 2 2025, 07:09 PM
Alden   Taking everything you said from post 27 as fact. ...   Apr 2 2025, 08:01 PM
JeffBowlsby   Circuit 12 is common, not ground. The TP cycles b...   Apr 2 2025, 08:56 PM
Superhawk996   Circuit 12 is common, not ground. The TP cycles ...   Apr 2 2025, 10:47 PM


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