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> race gas revisited, why and when?
Trekkor
post Mar 17 2005, 09:02 PM
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Bought a five gallon jug of leaded 110 octane "VP" brand racing fuel. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

My motor seems to have higher than stock compression. Lowest is 160 PSI.

My speed shop guy says the valves will like the lead. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chowtime.gif)

Maybe I just like throwing money out my open windows at speed... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif)

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Jake Raby
post Mar 18 2005, 09:28 AM
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An engine tuned for pump gas will normally make LESS power with Race gas!

This is because of race fuel having more viscosity and a slower burn to prevent detonation with higher CR.

When running race gas the engine can stand much more timing if its a medium CR based powerplant... Here is a "for instance" for ya.

My Hybrid 2316 was dynoed on pump gas (93) and race gas (110). With the pump gas the engine wanted a 140 main jet and 29 degrees full advance to crank out a 13.5:1 AFR and good fuel curve. When the race gas was added the engine liked 36 degrees of timing and a 155 main jet to attain the same AFR and similar fuel curve! This is a 10:1 street/track dual purpose engine.

So many times I see guys go to the track, add race gas and their cars run like shit..... Race gas isn't magical.
BTW- "AVGAS" is wayyy different than Race gas.. Aircraft engines operate below 3800 RPM, and accelerate slowly. They lack cylinder pressure that our engines must have for snappy acceleration. AVGAS also has lubricants in its composition that can harm normal fuel system parts that are not set up for it...
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trekkor   race gas revisited   Mar 17 2005, 09:02 PM
scott thacher   well the leaded end of it acts as a lube on the va...   Mar 17 2005, 10:04 PM
trekkor   It'll be fun to try it, anyway. Who doesn...   Mar 18 2005, 12:33 AM
synthesisdv   My motor is set-up for 110. We have a VP distribut...   Mar 18 2005, 07:26 AM
scott thacher   as david said it can handle some more advance too...   Mar 18 2005, 07:35 AM
Jake Raby   An engine tuned for pump gas will normally make LE...   Mar 18 2005, 09:28 AM
john rogers   As Jake noted, you may loose power since race gas ...   Mar 18 2005, 09:34 AM
trekkor   My *plan* was to run a couple gallons on top of a ...   Mar 18 2005, 09:40 AM
Jake Raby   You'll still need some retuning... I have fou...   Mar 18 2005, 09:45 AM
scott thacher   with av gas, i only used it in my motorcycle. it d...   Mar 18 2005, 09:50 AM
Dave_Darling   Anecdote, from my grandfather, retired A&P mechani...   Mar 18 2005, 05:02 PM
lapuwali   One also shouldn't generalize and say things l...   Mar 18 2005, 05:20 PM
TimT   I rec3ently read an article in the NY Times. Gist ...   Mar 18 2005, 05:39 PM
sixnotfour   That motor is an older motor and 110 will perk it ...   Mar 18 2005, 05:52 PM
trekkor   OK, the motor is from a 1967 911. With 9.0:1 CR i...   Mar 18 2005, 06:37 PM
lapuwali   <...   Mar 18 2005, 06:53 PM
TimT   That 67S distributor is a hot ticket! I sold ...   Mar 18 2005, 06:59 PM
TimT   I agree with assholes garage h...   Mar 18 2005, 07:05 PM
trekkor   I dumped it in there and ran it tonight. http://www.9...   Mar 19 2005, 01:27 AM
V6914   The thing about AV Fuel, you have to remember wher...   Mar 19 2005, 02:15 AM
trekkor   Point of interest: Topped off with pump gas, and...   Apr 8 2005, 05:41 PM
lapuwali     Apr 8 2005, 06:00 PM
trekkor   Right now the concentration of high octane in the ...   Apr 8 2005, 06:16 PM
ArtechnikA     Apr 8 2005, 06:24 PM
trekkor   This dizzy gives me 35 degrees advance at 6k. KT   Apr 8 2005, 06:41 PM
trekkor   You all should know what a freak I really am. I pu...   Apr 9 2005, 11:26 AM
nebreitling   that's sick trekkor... just sick.   Apr 9 2005, 11:41 AM
J P Stein   I've never heard my 6er ping, but have felt it...   Apr 9 2005, 12:09 PM
grantsfo     Apr 9 2005, 12:35 PM
ArtechnikA     Apr 9 2005, 04:01 PM
trekkor   The acceleration is smooth then the power COMES ON...   Apr 9 2005, 07:17 PM
ArtechnikA     Apr 10 2005, 06:21 AM
trekkor   Thanks very much for the good advice, once again. ...   Apr 10 2005, 09:08 AM


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