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> OT: 230v welder wiring, using a dryer circuit
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post Mar 23 2005, 04:23 PM
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I just got a millermatic 175 welder. 230v, 19.5 amps. I'm going to make an extension cord for it and was wondering what guage wire I should use. Is 12ga enough? (going about 30 feet, just enough to get all the way around the garage, and into the driveway a bit)


Also, the dryer outlet is neutral grounded. Should I use it as is or add a second outlet with a real ground?

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post Mar 23 2005, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (bondo @ Mar 23 2005, 04:34 PM)
Hmm, here is my understanding of neutral grounding...

The dryer has 2 circuits.. elements run on 230, timing stuff runs on 115. To get both it needs 2 hots and a neutral. In order to avoid running a 4th wire, they just run the neutral to the case of the dryer and call it a ground. You can't use the ground as a neutral, but I guess you can use the neutral as a ground. (using the ground as a neutral where the ground is connected to plumbing would cause your pipes to rust to pieces)

The welder only has 3 wires on it.. I would think that all of the welder would run on 230v, and the thrid would exclusively be a ground for safety. (unlike the dryer)

So what I'm really asking is: Is the neutral ground close enough to a regular ground, or should I add a second plug by my dryer that uses a regular ground?

(the second plug could cause problems because it would then be possible to run the dryer and the welder at the same time... I might have to add a DPDT switch.. then it starts getting expensive)

The three wires are hot 110v, hot 110v and neutral. 220 is the addition of the 2 110s.
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bondo   OT: 230v welder wiring   Mar 23 2005, 04:23 PM
Series9   Neutral and ground are exactly the same. Use 3 co...   Mar 23 2005, 04:30 PM
Root_Werks   My wife's Dad has a really nice welder, he had...   Mar 23 2005, 04:31 PM
Travis Neff   I think you want the 8 gauge wire for that, I used...   Mar 23 2005, 04:32 PM
Twystd1   Note: Ground and Neutral are NOT the same thing. ...   Mar 23 2005, 05:01 PM
Travis Neff   So your suggestion of a separate ground, where the...   Mar 23 2005, 05:16 PM
Series9   <...   Mar 23 2005, 05:28 PM
bondo   Hmm, here is my understanding of neutral grounding...   Mar 23 2005, 05:34 PM
Series9     Mar 23 2005, 05:42 PM
Travis Neff   If the welder has two hot leads and a neutral with...   Mar 23 2005, 05:54 PM
bondo     Mar 23 2005, 06:49 PM
bondo   I just checked the circuit diagram for the welder....   Mar 23 2005, 07:00 PM
Series9     Mar 23 2005, 07:28 PM
Travis Neff   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Mar 23 2005, 08:06 PM
bondo   I understand that it will work fine if I just wire...   Mar 23 2005, 08:19 PM
Series9     Mar 23 2005, 10:14 PM
jonwatts   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/ht...   Jan 16 2006, 01:51 AM
sgomes   I've got an idea. Why don't you just buy ...   Jan 16 2006, 07:50 AM
sj914   That extension cord would work, but I think the pr...   Jan 16 2006, 08:42 AM
jonwatts     Jan 16 2006, 09:29 AM
914GT   ...   Jan 16 2006, 09:37 AM
r_towle   the industry has changed from 3 wire to four wire....   Jan 16 2006, 10:58 AM
jd74914   <...   Jan 16 2006, 11:27 AM
fiid   Nothing electrical here, but for MIG sets, please ...   Jan 16 2006, 11:28 AM
jonwatts   <...   Jan 16 2006, 11:55 AM
914GT   I know my local home depot has 4-conductor #6 flex...   Jan 16 2006, 12:17 PM
9146986     Jan 16 2006, 01:22 PM


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