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r_towle
post Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
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so, I have been thinking (not always a good thing)
If an engine is basically an air pump, and the objective is to make it as close to 100 percent efficient, why is the exhaust valve so much smaller than the intake valve?

Forget emmisions, forget fuel delivery, just want to understand why this is so...it is so on most engines...

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post Aug 19 2005, 02:26 AM
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generally engines are most efficient at wide open throotle, and low rpms, Wide open throtle means less restriction on your "air pump", low rpms mean less momentum change energy losses, and heat losses.

That is way generally a smaller displacment motor gets better mileage, as it tends to be ran at wide open throttle all the time, add an overdirve gearing,a nd you get the rpms down low to help reduce friction type heat waste. (think of an old 1100cc 36 HP Bug motor, it is driven wide open throtle almost all the time, the larger 1600 cc engines got worse mileage, dispite more favorable gearing (more overdrive) in part because the engines did not need be at wide open throotle for cruising speed (ie 65 mph) also the later Bugs weighed more, but the engine was just plain bigger than needed to move the car at speed.

what you gain with the bigger engine is the ability to accelerate faster (thats when you do have it at wide open) but at a fixed speed or say 65 mph, the smaller engine should give better economy, all other things being equal.
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r_towle   a technical discussion   Aug 15 2005, 08:27 PM
michel richard   Cause on the exaust stroke there's a hard pist...   Aug 15 2005, 08:49 PM
r_towle   I thought that there is a vacuum sucking the mixtu...   Aug 15 2005, 09:29 PM
Jake Raby   ......... Because that about 20% of the air fuel m...   Aug 15 2005, 09:38 PM
r_towle   thanx for that reply Jake...as always you get to t...   Aug 15 2005, 09:40 PM
Jake Raby   Rich, The summary I made was very general... With...   Aug 15 2005, 09:43 PM
messix   the exhaust is at very high pressure after ignitio...   Aug 15 2005, 10:06 PM
lapuwali   If you look at typical cam timings, the exhaust va...   Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
Brett W   There is no vaccum in the cylinder. Nothing sucks...   Aug 16 2005, 12:22 AM
messix   i guess that vacuum assist power brakes don't ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:30 AM
r_towle   So, taking this knowledge, how can we apply it to ...   Aug 16 2005, 12:24 PM
lapuwali   The cam in the stock engine was chosen more for em...   Aug 16 2005, 12:46 PM
Sammy   Brett nailed it, there really isn't such thing...   Aug 16 2005, 04:30 PM
lapuwali   IMHO, Brett didn't "nail" anything. Both of y...   Aug 16 2005, 05:20 PM
lapuwali   Easy. Explain the technical terms first in layman...   Aug 16 2005, 06:41 PM
r_towle   <...   Aug 18 2005, 01:11 PM
Jaiden   Follow this link it will give you all the calculat...   Aug 18 2005, 01:32 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 02:10 PM
Brando   ...   Aug 18 2005, 06:58 PM
r_towle   On Ljet, You can increase the fuel pressure and ad...   Aug 18 2005, 07:11 PM
Brando   I understand your intentions Rich ... Mine are the...   Aug 18 2005, 07:19 PM
Mueller  
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Brando   With a snap-on ride-along flexible gas analyzer. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:27 PM
r_towle   I agree, ljet leans out in the higher rpm's. ...   Aug 18 2005, 07:35 PM
Mueller     Aug 18 2005, 07:38 PM
Al Meredith   I have read some on engine basics (no reguard to n...   Aug 18 2005, 08:07 PM
lapuwali   Bondo, you're correct up to a point. A given ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:21 PM
Mueller   ...   Aug 18 2005, 08:28 PM
lapuwali   ...   Aug 18 2005, 09:32 PM
Bleyseng   The other fly in the onintment for this 2.2L is th...   Aug 18 2005, 10:26 PM
Brett W   I don't get it, I mean I understand wanting to...   Aug 19 2005, 12:30 AM
dmenche914   generally engines are most efficient at wide open ...   Aug 19 2005, 02:26 AM
Bleyseng   <...   Aug 19 2005, 07:51 AM
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Jake Raby   Double post- OOPS!   Aug 19 2005, 10:27 AM


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