Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> Oil cooler..........round two, AKA fun with foam!
East coaster
post Feb 17 2006, 07:56 PM
Post #1


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,791
Joined: 28-March 03
From: Millville, NJ
Member No.: 487
Region Association: None



So after a little brainstorming on an oil cooler layout, I figured I better actually do it.

Started out by figuring out the mounting of the cooler itself. It's a very large (4 x 24 fin area) and I think a good fit for a 3.6 since it doesn't have an engine mounted cooler. I started by cutting sections out of the front support tray for clearance and then re-boxing the area to keep the shelf rigid and serve as a mounting point for the front of the cooler.

Here's a pic of the cut outs...........


Attached image(s)
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
ArtechnikA
post Feb 22 2006, 06:43 AM
Post #2


rich herzog
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,390
Joined: 4-April 03
From: Salted Roads, PA
Member No.: 513
Region Association: None



QUOTE (fiid @ Feb 21 2006, 03:50 PM)
How come it's okay (encouraged?) to use braided oil lines and not brake lines? Is it just because the brakelines have to flex with every bump in the road? What makes this so different?

the types of hose and their fittings are *completely* different, although they do both have an exterior woven stainless steel wire braid sheath.

the lines commonly used for fluid transfer (oil and fuel) are a nitrile rubber inner hose with various layers of reinforcement until you get out to the final outer braided sheath. most hose ends for this type of hose use a cutter to split the rubber hose (annular) and form a positive, high-retention seal.

brake (and clutch, where it's used) is a Teflon inner hose with a single braided stainless sheath. the hose end is completely different and may in some cases separate from the hose. could be manufacturing defect, could be installation defect, could be abuse. but it *has* happened.

in addition, non-DOT-rated hose has no outer nonpermeable sheath, so sand and grit can theoretically penetrate the braid and exacerbate abrasion of the Teflon inner tube. Teflon doesn't like to be kinked, os if that ever happens, for any reason, you should consider the hose toast. hanging a caliper from the brake hose is an especially bad thing.

many consider them an expensive, high-risk item with marginal to imperceptible gain. aircraft use them, and race cars use them. aircraft are *completely* inspected by certified inspectors at least annually. race cars, if they last longer than a season, are at least inspected and usually rebuilt and replumbed *very* frequently. and they DO NOT use adapter fittings like we do - they are AN-3 all the way from the MC to the caliper...

i plan to use DOT-rated lines on my car, as I have had good results with them in the past and i'm committed to a regular inspection program.

the technical differences between nitrile and Teflon hose are very well spelled out on the Earls site - and probably Aeroquip and Goodridge and everybody else that makes hose. Hose ends for Teflon braided-steel lines are *very* expensive...

Still - when i replumb the 911's fuel system, i plan to do it in braided Teflon hose, because there are so many oxygenates in contemporary fuels that I do not trust nitrile in this application any more for cars that are not subject to re-plumbing on a regular basis. it will cost a small fortune but i will be done with it once and for all...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
East coaster   Oil cooler..........round two   Feb 17 2006, 07:56 PM
East coaster   other side....   Feb 17 2006, 07:57 PM
East coaster   I'm using two isolator mounts from these areas...   Feb 17 2006, 08:00 PM
East coaster   Used a piece of billet aluminum and made a mountin...   Feb 17 2006, 08:03 PM
East coaster   This is what it looks like fit up.....   Feb 17 2006, 08:04 PM
East coaster   Once the mounting was squared away, it's on to...   Feb 17 2006, 08:06 PM
East coaster   20 minutes with a hacksaw blade and some 36 grit, ...   Feb 17 2006, 08:07 PM
East coaster   I had to hot glue an additional chunk to this one ...   Feb 17 2006, 08:10 PM
Eric_Shea   Slick!   Feb 17 2006, 08:10 PM
East coaster   All shaping/fitting done and ready for disassembly...   Feb 17 2006, 08:11 PM
East coaster   One mo'   Feb 17 2006, 08:12 PM
Eric_Shea   Plans to lay a false floor on there?   Feb 17 2006, 08:13 PM
East coaster   You guys bored of the pics yet? The foam pieces a...   Feb 17 2006, 08:15 PM
East coaster   Yeah.....I want to be able to put the factory fals...   Feb 17 2006, 08:17 PM
Eric_Shea   Question/Concern: With a GT shroud they made the ...   Feb 17 2006, 08:17 PM
GTPatrick   Food for thought . http://www...   Feb 17 2006, 08:23 PM
East coaster   I have about 35 % larger outlet than inlet. I woul...   Feb 17 2006, 08:25 PM
Dave_Darling     Feb 17 2006, 10:10 PM
East coaster   Yeah, nothing but "genuine styrofoam" for me, no e...   Feb 17 2006, 10:11 PM
East coaster   Yeah, I'm going with a space saver. I'm no...   Feb 17 2006, 10:16 PM
Aaron Cox   copier! im cutting mine around the space saver...   Feb 17 2006, 10:16 PM
East coaster   Aaron, I probably could've squeezed a little (...   Feb 17 2006, 10:25 PM
trekkor   I like what you have done. Really nice concept. ...   Feb 17 2006, 10:34 PM
VegasRacer   Very nice. http://www.914wor...   Feb 17 2006, 11:37 PM
jim_hoyland   Nice !! Keep the pictures coming.   Feb 18 2006, 07:37 AM
seanery   that's very clean...if it turns out to be effe...   Feb 18 2006, 07:51 AM
ArtechnikA   you're using a front-mounted -12 thermostat on...   Feb 18 2006, 07:52 AM
East coaster   Front mounted -12 cooler/thermo, yes, that was the...   Feb 18 2006, 08:44 AM
East coaster   OK, it was a day of sniffin' fumes! Layed...   Feb 18 2006, 09:08 PM
Aaron Cox   3.6 likes -16/-20   Feb 18 2006, 09:09 PM
East coaster   Just used a couple of drywall screws into the foam...   Feb 18 2006, 09:10 PM
East coaster   Did the layup, let it cure, and then shredded the ...   Feb 18 2006, 09:12 PM
East coaster   Here's the plenum after a quickie scrape and t...   Feb 18 2006, 09:13 PM
East coaster   nuther.......   Feb 18 2006, 09:14 PM
East coaster   test fitting......   Feb 18 2006, 09:15 PM
East coaster   kjhgkjhgk   Feb 18 2006, 09:16 PM
East coaster   Here's tomorrow's project. It's the fr...   Feb 18 2006, 09:18 PM
J P Stein   Good job. You've added to my general knowledge...   Feb 18 2006, 09:18 PM
jim_hoyland   How many layers of glass did you use ? Any special...   Feb 18 2006, 10:10 PM
jonwatts   ...   Feb 19 2006, 08:46 AM
J P Stein   Rich: Generally, you and I are are in agreement ab...   Feb 19 2006, 09:04 AM
drew365   <...   Feb 19 2006, 10:33 AM
East coaster   As far as thermostat placement, there seems to be ...   Feb 19 2006, 11:54 AM
Eric_Shea   Begin Parrot: Squawwwwk Porsche 911 Performance ...   Feb 19 2006, 01:02 PM
Aaron Cox  
  Feb 19 2006, 01:17 PM
db9146   East Coaster, I like it...a lot. Great job. Keep ...   Feb 19 2006, 01:39 PM
J P Stein   Anderson says quite a lot. He says the 964/993 oi...   Feb 19 2006, 07:07 PM
East coaster   Ok..........more fumes, more itchy scratchy, but a...   Feb 19 2006, 08:23 PM
East coaster   mnbvmnbv   Feb 19 2006, 08:24 PM
East coaster   Here's the first test fit. I does need a littl...   Feb 19 2006, 08:27 PM
East coaster   Here's looking into the business end of the co...   Feb 19 2006, 08:28 PM
ArtechnikA  
  Feb 19 2006, 08:34 PM
East coaster   while we're on a oil line kick, does anyone ha...   Feb 19 2006, 08:38 PM
Aaron Cox   <...   Feb 19 2006, 08:45 PM
trekkor   I don't beat on my car until it's hot, so ...   Feb 19 2006, 09:28 PM
Aaron Cox   <...   Feb 19 2006, 09:47 PM
McMark   I'm going -12 on mine, and last I heard SirAnd...   Feb 19 2006, 09:51 PM
Eric_Shea   JD... you're one scary dude! http://www.914wo...   Feb 21 2006, 11:13 AM
Headrage   You're gonna make more of these to sell right?   Feb 21 2006, 11:21 AM
mrdezyne     Feb 21 2006, 11:34 AM
URY914   Wrapping the plug with something does help when it...   Feb 21 2006, 11:44 AM
spunone   Line size ?? if the pump holes are 3/8 inch won...   Feb 21 2006, 11:52 AM
Dr Evil   Just freaking cool! I know how to FG, but I ne...   Feb 21 2006, 12:20 PM
East coaster   I layed up the glass right over the foam. I did a ...   Feb 21 2006, 12:22 PM
maf914     Feb 21 2006, 12:23 PM
tdgray   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Feb 21 2006, 12:25 PM
fiid   The glasswork looks awesome!! Great job. ...   Feb 21 2006, 01:50 PM
Dr Evil   I have not heard that you shouldn't use braded...   Feb 21 2006, 02:58 PM
ArtechnikA     Feb 22 2006, 06:43 AM
Dr. Roger   how on earth did i miss this thread??? very clas...   Feb 24 2006, 07:40 PM
trekkor   <...   Feb 24 2006, 11:22 PM
East coaster   Roger, Fiberglass would have no problem dealing wi...   Feb 25 2006, 07:26 AM
davep   Since I deal with heat exchange, air and fluid flo...   Feb 25 2006, 10:07 AM


Reply to this topicStart new topic
34 User(s) are reading this topic (34 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd December 2024 - 02:50 AM