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> I HAVE MID ENGINE FEVER!, I want one of these!
Aaron Cox
post Oct 6 2003, 07:50 PM
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saw one drivin in hollywood- this thing has the most raced out engine-
the lotus europa, 1.6L 126 HP


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post Oct 11 2003, 05:58 AM
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GWN - I remember that, you're in Winnipeg right?. Well, don't tell the owner of that car, but you can get replacememt chasssis Made in Canada now for $2000Cdn a guy in Montreal - about half the previous rate, making restoration financially a little more sensible. Thanks for cheking out the site - I jut did it and it is a little rough, but I'll keep chipping away at it. I hve tons of detail pictures of my teener and T4 rebuild I want to get up there to return the favour to newbies in the 914 community.
I love Esprits, and the S1, S2, S3 still do evoke Europa in a lot of ways. As they evolved they really grew into the supercar league both in terms of refinement and restoration cost. Steve, what's it been like living with the S1? I've seen a tired ones around - cheap - but have been warned about restoration costs. I'd love to get a na S3, but I don't think they ever crossed the pond.
Regarding Europa models, they had a few iterations and power plants
S1 (Series 1) Lotus type 46 chassis bonded within body, seats molded into the body, non-operating windows. Started production in 1966 IIRC 1470cc Renault, all alloy engine and 4 speed transaxle.
S2 Type 54 Non-bonded, removable chassis (insurance issue as Mike points out - I know a guy who is replacing the chassis in a S1, a real pain) Adjustable seats, more conventional dash, same engine as S1.
S2 Type 65 Series 2 Federal. As above, designed to meet US crash and emissions requirements.
Twin Cam Type 74. a bit taller, heavier, different chassis, more upright driving position, 1565cc lotus Twincam engine, 'sail panels' cut down. The engine has a weber carbed variant (126hp?), and a US emissions version with sucky stromberg carbs and cast-in place siamesed intake runners. 105hp Steve, is this what you are referring to as the Cosworth? I think it was designed by Mike COStin, but he was a lotus employee at the time. The type 47 is the race car variant as you mention, and there was a custom one off rover V8 version that is written up a lot. Analogous to the 914/6GT, and the 914/8 respectively. I found it interesting that Lotus was selling the Cosworth BDA as an engine option at the time, and I think that may have been what went into the type 47, though it may have been the TC. The BDA was is pretty much copied and de-quirked by the Toyota 4age (corolla GTS, formula atlantic I think) and would be an awesome engine in a europa, though conversion is a bit involved.
There is less of a 'purist' sentiment in the Europa world, (the guy making them didn't much care about such things!) so lots of cars get engine transplants without offending the faithful, though unlike the wonderfully overengineered 914, the Europa is designed around 100hp and needs lots of re-engineering to tolerate much more. (per Chapman's thinking, everything is very flimsy) I will be putting a 120hp Renault Gordini engine and a 5-speed in mine - all alloy, very light, conversion about as complicated as putting a six in a 914/4. Guess what D-Jet EFI! The power to weight ratio will be around that of an early '70's 911 RSR.

Glad to see my 914 comments were received in the spirit in which they were delivered! I was out in my teener last night with tunes up the roof off and a greeat big grin on. I'll be grinding and glassing my Europa today.

Regards, Dave
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Aaron Cox   I HAVE MID ENGINE FEVER!   Oct 6 2003, 07:50 PM
Mark Henry   DDS who hangs out on the pelican 914 board is rest...   Oct 6 2003, 08:11 PM
ChrisReale   There is a few of those that run in the Sovren Vny...   Oct 6 2003, 08:13 PM
jkeyzer   Something about the shape of that car makes it loo...   Oct 6 2003, 08:15 PM
seanery   1 word UGLY. I've seen 'em around, and I ...   Oct 6 2003, 08:21 PM
Aaron Cox   they weigh like nothing! and they have a centr...   Oct 6 2003, 08:23 PM
!   There is a reason they stopped making them.....   Oct 6 2003, 09:01 PM
Aaron Cox     Oct 6 2003, 09:07 PM
!   Reasons ..... 1) English 2) Lucas 3) Insurance 4)...   Oct 6 2003, 09:09 PM
Aaron Cox   lousy motors? and a a 2.7 that pulls head studs is...   Oct 6 2003, 09:12 PM
!   The 2.7 was a great motor....until the US governme...   Oct 6 2003, 09:15 PM
scotty   Just find one and start following...stop and pick ...   Oct 6 2003, 10:58 PM
FriarJohn   Believe it or not, there's one of these things...   Oct 6 2003, 11:57 PM
fiid   It's a lotus. The wiring is shit. Since I...   Oct 7 2003, 01:49 AM
thesey914   I love those Europa's -I love quirky cars thou...   Oct 7 2003, 05:35 AM
mharrison   The tractor trailer test each car went through pri...   Oct 7 2003, 07:44 AM
URY914   You better be short to fit in one. I'd never ...   Oct 7 2003, 10:06 AM
mike_the_man   Lotus's are cool cars. And light. My buddy i...   Oct 7 2003, 10:59 AM
maf914   Europas are cool. I've got two in my closet. ...   Oct 7 2003, 12:49 PM
Ferg   Speaking of lotus, I just got my new road and trac...   Oct 7 2003, 01:21 PM
thesey914   I can vouch for the Elises's dynamics, my cous...   Oct 8 2003, 02:06 AM
thesey914   some pics of the other machinery   Oct 8 2003, 02:19 AM
tod914   That europa looks like's Englands answer to th...   Oct 8 2003, 08:14 AM
Mark Henry   Told ya me buddy Dave (DDS) had one!!...   Oct 10 2003, 09:03 PM
Lotus914   Ahh I can't resist... I'm Dave. Hello all...   Oct 10 2003, 10:16 PM
Aaron Cox   them is fightin words! :lol2:   Oct 10 2003, 10:18 PM
Lotus914   Oh yeah, I forgot to compare the way they sound.....   Oct 10 2003, 10:24 PM
shoguneagle   It is very enjoyable to see a Lotus Europa on a 91...   Oct 11 2003, 02:45 AM
GWN7   Hi Dave, welcome to the board. We spoke on the o...   Oct 11 2003, 03:34 AM
Lotus914   GWN - I remember that, you're in Winnipeg righ...   Oct 11 2003, 05:58 AM
maf914   Dave, Welcome. Glad you've joined this BBS. ...   Oct 11 2003, 06:15 AM
Lotus914   Thanks Mike and others for the welcome! Hey...   Oct 11 2003, 03:43 PM
GWN7   Dave, the body of the car I was looking at was in...   Oct 11 2003, 03:48 PM
thesey914   :lol:

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