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> Evaluating Chassis Stiffness, any ideas?
McMark
post Jan 26 2007, 03:08 PM
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I've been thinking about this for a long time. I would like to be able to quantitatively evaluate chassis stiffness. I have some ideas for increasing stiffness, but I'd like to be able to measure those changes by something other than the seat of my pants ("It feels stiffer.").

My best idea so far is to place a car on three jack stands of equal height and measure the droop of the fourth corner.

Any other ideas? Any physicists that can help out here?
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post Jan 27 2007, 04:13 AM
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Typical practice among race engineers is to express chassis stiffness in foot-pounds per degree of twist. Of course an F-1 tub won't twist anywhere near 1 whole degree, and they have all kind of test rigs to give them NASA accurate numbers, but the results are still expressed the same way.

It would be pretty easy to test a 914 tub. Your rig would need to secure one end, let's say the rear, to the floor by the top shock mounts since this is where the vertical loads are fed into the tub (Chassis twisting loads are the result of vertical loads being fed into the tub by the tire via the suspension, so the test needs to measure the stiffness between the points where the spring loads are fed into the tub). The other end of the tub can be supported in the centre by a single point (jackstand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) and a l-o-n-g arm attached by the crossmember mounting bolts (vertical loads in the front go through the torsion bar end caps. If you have coil-overs up front, use the shock towers.). Measure ten feet from the centre point out toward the end of the arm and add weight until you measure 1 degree of twist at the front centreline. Multiply the weight required by ten (feet) and you have a result in foot-pounds per degree.

This works, and even if the actual numbers aren't 100 percent accurate you're still able to tell whether your mods are effective as long as you are consistent with your test methods. For example, if you have 300 pounds out on the arm (times ten feet) and only see .5 of a degree, it might not (probably won't) mean you have an honest-to-God 6000 pound-foot per degree stiffness, but if it takes 400 pounds to get the same .5 of a degree after your mods you done good!

Of course, like Rick said, twisting the business out of a thirty year old tub might scare ya...

I've been thinking about building a rig like this to test the race car. Maybe I should do it sooner rather than later...
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McMark   Evaluating Chassis Stiffness   Jan 26 2007, 03:08 PM
messix   it would seem that you would need to measure chass...   Jan 26 2007, 03:35 PM
Travis Neff   The only thing I could think of is to attach the c...   Jan 26 2007, 03:39 PM
r_towle   I would say build four custom jack stands that bol...   Jan 26 2007, 04:46 PM
JPB   I think torsion would be a snap. Just need to bal...   Jan 26 2007, 05:13 PM
Ferg   I agree with Rich. 3 Custom jack stands that bolt...   Jan 26 2007, 05:38 PM
McMark   measure movement on a fixed wall. :confused: I...   Jan 26 2007, 11:45 PM
TonyAKAVW   I'm assuming torsional stifness is what you wa...   Jan 26 2007, 06:05 PM
9146986   I saw one of the '97 GT1 tubs on a chassis dyn...   Jan 26 2007, 06:26 PM
Mid_Engine_914   Contact a few engineering consulting firms and ask...   Jan 26 2007, 08:19 PM
TonyAKAVW   To measure a chassis' resonsant frequency you ...   Jan 26 2007, 08:47 PM
r_towle   The whole chassis resonance thing was done, and a ...   Jan 26 2007, 09:17 PM
rick 918-S   The whole chassis resonance thing was done, and a...   Jan 26 2007, 09:43 PM
Mid_Engine_914   The whole chassis resonance thing was done, and a...   Jan 27 2007, 05:52 AM
rick 918-S   here's a couple more   Jan 26 2007, 09:57 PM
alpha434   Doesn't any of the local shops around you have...   Jan 26 2007, 10:01 PM
rick 918-S   All the tops are adjustable. I leveled the center ...   Jan 26 2007, 10:02 PM
rick 918-S   Mark once you get the chassis leveled in a jig lik...   Jan 26 2007, 10:05 PM
McMark   Cool stuff, Rick. It sounds like I'm on the r...   Jan 26 2007, 11:49 PM
rick 918-S   I'm not sure it would be a good idea to vibera...   Jan 26 2007, 11:51 PM
Mugs914   Typical practice among race engineers is to expres...   Jan 27 2007, 04:13 AM


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