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drewvw
post Apr 4 2006, 08:43 PM
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Out of all you fellas that have 1970 teeners, have you ever established who is the elder statesman of the non-club?

I like this kind of stuff....
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Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint code from 0041. Carefully look at the paint code on the Karmann badge. 0033 has what appears to be 29 / 29. No idea why the code is doubled. Chassis # is in the rear trunk floor in front of the lock, should be 1300xx (#0033 was 130008) You might want to see if there is a similar # on the underside of the dash (it should have an extra '0' in it to designate the year).

As far as the chassis # vs VIN # sequencing, my hypothesis is that the bodies were welded up, and assigned a chassis/body # in sequence before they were painted. The Karmann badge would be installed after painting, then they were generally warehoused until a body of that color was required for the final assembly line. I suspect the VIN was assigned soon after beginning final assembly since the VIN tag on the windshield frame would be difficult to install after the glass is in place. We see photos of the assembly line, and the glass is in place rather early on. The chassis/body number can be well out of sequence with the VIN, or they may be sequential. I agree that there was little regard paid to keeping the chassis/body # in sequence with the VIN #. It does happen, but only rarely. More likely it was last in first out. It would be fascinating to get factual data from an assembly line worker.
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Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint code from 0041. Carefully look at the paint code on the Karmann badge. 0033 has what appears to be 29 / 29. No idea why the code is doubled. Chassis # is in the rear trunk floor in front of the lock, should be 1300xx (#0033 was 130008) You might want to see if there is a similar # on the underside of the dash (it should have an extra '0' in it to designate the year).

As far as the chassis # vs VIN # sequencing, my hypothesis is that the bodies were welded up, and assigned a chassis/body # in sequence before they were painted. The Karmann badge would be installed after painting, then they were generally warehoused until a body of that color was required for the final assembly line. I suspect the VIN was assigned soon after beginning final assembly since the VIN tag on the windshield frame would be difficult to install after the glass is in place. We see photos of the assembly line, and the glass is in place rather early on. The chassis/body number can be well out of sequence with the VIN, or they may be sequential. I agree that there was little regard paid to keeping the chassis/body # in sequence with the VIN #. It does happen, but only rarely. More likely it was last in first out. It would be fascinating to get factual data from an assembly line worker.


Veddddy interesting stuff here. Remarkable.

Little did Hans and Gunther know , when they traipsed out to retrieve another body on the trolley buck from a corner of the yard....that they could be conceivably creating so much discussion thirty five years later over some such silly thing as NUMBERS.

After all, they were only concerned with getting the stinkin' job done, and making another run out back to get another body in white to put on the assembly line.

That and maybe thinking about the nice little bier hall girl

down at the "Eagles Nest" getting ready to spread around a few more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) for her customers at the end of shift.

Hans and Gunther are probably somewhere going:

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and here we are:


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What a world !!!!


this is GREAT
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drewvw   Who's got the oldest 914?   Apr 4 2006, 08:43 PM
reddog   just bought a 1970 made in feburary   Apr 4 2006, 11:20 PM
bondo   I've got 2732 made in 1/70. htt...   Apr 4 2006, 11:44 PM
dinomium   Just like auto crossing, I am an "also ran"... The...   Apr 5 2006, 12:00 AM
Mike McGrath   So you have a frame of reference, mine has a tag f...   Apr 5 2006, 12:15 AM
dinomium   that is OLD!   Apr 5 2006, 12:47 AM
Joe Ricard   Thats wierd Mike because my car has a sticker that...   Apr 5 2006, 05:00 AM
blitZ   I may have one of the youngest, built 11/75   Apr 5 2006, 05:08 AM
ArtechnikA     Apr 5 2006, 11:32 AM
drewvw   The fact that somebody has one built in 1969 is re...   Apr 5 2006, 11:33 AM
davep   I've been researching this recently and it is ...   Apr 5 2006, 11:48 AM
davep   ...   Apr 5 2006, 11:50 AM
Triaddave   kind of related... i have an engine case # gaooooo...   Dec 10 2006, 12:21 PM
ArtechnikA     Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM
NEU   4702904992 made in Feb of 1970...   Apr 5 2006, 12:50 PM
Marty Yeoman   That's got to be #4...   Apr 5 2006, 06:25 PM
davep   the data so far 4702900916 4819507 12/69 470290...   Apr 6 2006, 10:09 AM
tyler   470.29.10526 is my '70   Apr 6 2006, 12:40 PM
drewvw   nice work dave, keep it up....   Apr 6 2006, 12:45 PM
mcbain77   where do you get the chassis number from? my VIN ...   Apr 6 2006, 12:55 PM
SirAndy   <...   Apr 6 2006, 12:59 PM
GWN7   4702910911   Apr 6 2006, 01:13 PM
davep   <...   Apr 6 2006, 01:37 PM
davep   Chassis # in the rear trunk floor. In 1970 is is i...   Apr 6 2006, 01:39 PM
davep   The decal. I call it the DOT decal and it is only ...   Apr 6 2006, 01:40 PM
Kersey   The oldest production I know of is; Dec. 1 1969,...   Apr 6 2006, 07:59 PM
davep   I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is ve...   Apr 6 2006, 08:31 PM
mrgreenjeans   I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is v...   Feb 19 2007, 05:19 PM
drewvw   just out of curiousity, what was the production nu...   Apr 6 2006, 08:45 PM
davep     Apr 7 2006, 06:48 PM
Kersey   Glenn's vin is #9140430012 Paul   Apr 7 2006, 08:02 PM
davep     Apr 7 2006, 08:13 PM
sixerdon   Dave, I'm curious. Is #0033 a U.S. import car?...   Apr 7 2006, 08:17 PM
Mike McGrath   I've spoken with Glenn about the car. It is ve...   Apr 7 2006, 08:17 PM
davep   <...   Apr 8 2006, 06:20 AM
drewvw   That's really interesting. Dave, what's y...   Apr 8 2006, 06:37 AM
!   4702900304 VIN# for the Rocket which I no longer ...   Apr 8 2006, 07:57 AM
1970 Neun vierzehn   After owning this 914 for 30+ years, I learn about...   Apr 8 2006, 08:51 AM
davep     Apr 8 2006, 10:05 AM
1970 Neun vierzehn   Interesting, fascinating and very much appreciated...   Apr 8 2006, 10:31 AM
sixerdon   Dave, Two more sixes to add to your data bank; VI...   Apr 8 2006, 07:28 PM
Mhead   New member here...just looked up the VIN on one of...   Dec 10 2006, 08:25 AM
Mhead   New member here...just looked up the VIN on one o...   Jan 8 2008, 10:27 AM
pankopp   Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just pic...   Feb 19 2007, 02:50 PM
mrgreenjeans   Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just pi...   Feb 19 2007, 04:43 PM
mrgreenjeans   Hey guys i am pretty close to the first, just pi...   Feb 19 2007, 04:45 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   For most other cars I find the VIN and owner co...   Feb 19 2007, 04:59 PM
burton73   Very cool, my car was also delivered on 01 April 1...   Feb 19 2007, 06:44 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   Bob, The 914 was sold to a leasing company? In 19...   Feb 19 2007, 06:59 PM
burton73   My dad was leasing cars way before that. I remembe...   Feb 19 2007, 07:35 PM
davep   Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint co...   Feb 19 2007, 09:59 PM
mrgreenjeans   Bob, I really need the chassis number and paint c...   Feb 19 2007, 11:01 PM
Eric_Shea   One of my customers just bought #11 and is resto...   Feb 19 2007, 10:13 PM
Eric_Shea   Bob, it seems you have a very early car. Any thou...   Feb 19 2007, 10:15 PM
burton73   Dave, I will get you all of this but you need to g...   Feb 19 2007, 10:55 PM
davep   Here is another tidbit concerning chassis numbers,...   Feb 20 2007, 08:22 AM
proto31   I've got #31. Dave, sorry I haven't gotten...   Feb 20 2007, 01:28 PM
davep   :bump: It is time to get more data from you fello...   Jan 4 2008, 02:00 PM
loux951   I'll have to look at my VIN when I get home......   Jan 4 2008, 03:48 PM
davep   Whoa, we need to learn more about that one! We...   Jan 4 2008, 04:31 PM
SirAndy   Whoa, we need to learn more about that one! W...   Jan 4 2008, 06:40 PM
davep   So how can we get detailed info on this 914? Anyon...   Jan 4 2008, 07:25 PM
dflesburg   Erik's Great Pumpkin # 1121 built Dec 1969 ...   Jan 4 2008, 09:16 PM
Slider   Remember that with the factory assigning vins they...   Jan 5 2008, 12:39 AM
morph   1-70 47029002344 is in my garage james   Jan 5 2008, 02:26 AM
davep   Somewhere around 4702902000 was the change from 12...   Jan 5 2008, 09:15 AM
keske968   not getting outta bed to check my Karmann number o...   Jan 5 2008, 11:29 PM
loux951   Andy, I'm cajun...not german. :bootyshake: ...   Jan 6 2008, 09:29 AM
Rob Ways   Any pictures of the 914 at the VW museum?   Jan 6 2008, 09:54 AM
loux951   I don't have a scanner at the house but I foun...   Jan 6 2008, 06:55 PM
SirAndy   The display by the car and the coffee table book ...   Jan 7 2008, 02:55 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   [quote name='loux951' post='983771' date='Jan 6 2...   Jan 7 2008, 03:28 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   If its the above two cars that are being compared,...   Jan 7 2008, 04:23 PM
davep   If its the above two cars that are being compared...   Jan 7 2008, 10:16 PM
davep   that looks an awful lot like the car pictured in ...   Jan 7 2008, 04:00 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   From the link: "Made was the car of 1969-1975...   Jan 6 2008, 11:01 PM
Rob Ways   Thanks Tom. That car is awesome!   Jan 6 2008, 11:40 PM
loux951   No problem, glad I could share that with the club....   Jan 7 2008, 01:59 PM
loux951   I don't remember if the car had FI or carbs. ...   Jan 8 2008, 09:42 AM
1970 Neun vierzehn   I do remember being significantly disappointed ...   Jan 8 2008, 11:22 AM
davep   It should be 11/69 production. I do need full info...   Jan 8 2008, 10:44 AM
Mhead   It should be 11/69 production. I do need full inf...   Jan 8 2008, 12:56 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   "M", That VIN would place your car as t...   Jan 8 2008, 10:46 AM
davep   They also say it is a water-cooled 4 cylinder boxe...   Jan 8 2008, 11:35 AM
davep   Got an email from Rene in Switzerland, he got the ...   Jan 9 2008, 12:52 PM
Gustl   currently there's a guy who sells official ger...   Jan 16 2008, 03:37 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   currently there's a guy who sells official ge...   Jan 16 2008, 04:44 PM
SirAndy   Are you saying 4702900387 no longer exists, excep...   Jan 16 2008, 05:29 PM
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