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> FI retrofit, it's done!!!
toon1
post May 17 2007, 07:31 PM
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I've been working on retrofitting newer fuel injectors for the 914. My goal was to find an injector that can utilize as many of the stock parts as possible.

I came up with a inj. off a 96 forn escort 1.8l motor.

One comment is needed, this will only work with an aftermarket FI system s these inj. are HIGH inpedence.

This setup gives the ability to use higher fuel pressure, 44psi . It has a lower flow rate than the stock inj.. so the pulse widths will be longer and should give a little better idle quality.

these are disc style rather than pintle( stock). fuel atomization will be much better giving a cleaner, more efficiant burn.

The length of the inj. where shorter than stock so I added an O ring to make up the difference.

The plastic tips are different ,I cut them off and put the tip of the stock inj. on the new inj., fit perfect. now the stock tip O ring can be used.

the fuel rail was machined to tolerance for the top O ring seal. And I made a bracket to support the fuel rail from vibration and also keeping it from popping off the top of the inj.

Here's the setup assembled. enjoy


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post May 20 2007, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(swl @ May 20 2007, 05:07 AM) *

I really like the manifold you built. I know we don't have flow issues on the teener but the billet just looks better than the stock pipe. Will there be enough room to drop the engine with the manifold in place?

Allowing my mind to wander much farther than it should...

If the impedence mismatch is the only thing that prevents using that injector on a stock d/l-jet could someone design a driver pack for it? Use the stock injector signal as input to a fast response driver and wire the output to the new injectors?

There would still need to be a way of compensating for a different flow rate (no chance the two have the same flow rate). That could be done grossly through the pressure regulator then fine tuned as per normal with the richness adjustment.

Am I being too simplistic?


the biillet fuel rail was necassary to utilize these inj.. They have an O ring ontop not a barb.

NO the inj,s and fuel rail will need to be removed for an engine drop.

If you could design a cheap, and easy way to use high imp. inj. with the stock syst., THAT WOULD BE HUGE!!!!!!!

There are plenty of inj's. avail. with flow rates close to stock that are much cheaper and readily avail. . I chose this inj. because I was going to use a different FP and wanted a higher press. fuel system for better atomization.

This would give everyone the ability to use the stock FP and REG and just change the inj's.

It seems Everyone here has been looking for a viable alternative to the stock inj. ,

Keith


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post May 20 2007, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(toon1 @ May 20 2007, 07:42 AM) *

If you could design a cheap, and easy way to use high imp. inj. with the stock syst.,

'fraid my days of playing with electronics are long passed. When I last fiddled with design the Apple II and TRS80 were fighting for top dog honors!

But I know we have a bunch of bright young electronics guys on the board - maybe they could take up the challenge.
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toon1   FI retrofit   May 17 2007, 07:31 PM
toon1   more   May 17 2007, 07:32 PM
toon1   one more   May 17 2007, 07:33 PM
jimkelly   toon1 you are the man - keep us posted as to perfo...   May 17 2007, 08:07 PM
BMXerror   Who did the machining? Looks good. Mark D.   May 17 2007, 08:28 PM
toon1   Thank's, I did all the machining, I'm not ...   May 17 2007, 08:38 PM
yarin   Great stuff! Thanks for posting pics! I...   May 19 2007, 09:41 PM
toon1   Great stuff! Thanks for posting pics! I...   May 20 2007, 01:16 AM
swl   I really like the manifold you built. I know we d...   May 20 2007, 06:07 AM
toon1   I really like the manifold you built. I know we ...   May 20 2007, 09:42 AM
swl   If you could design a cheap, and easy way to us...   May 20 2007, 12:47 PM
brer   :clap: I'm impressed. Keep us posted on yo...   May 20 2007, 09:11 PM
Mueller   nice job..... for "brand" new Ford (and...   May 21 2007, 03:46 AM
yarin   nice job..... for "brand" new Ford (an...   May 21 2007, 07:14 AM
greybeard50   This is exactly what I was contemplating for my T4...   May 21 2007, 07:57 AM
MecGen   Hey Thumbs Up ! :clap: Thanx for saving a l...   May 21 2007, 08:03 AM
type11969   5.slow injectors work too and can be readily found...   May 21 2007, 08:24 AM
Dominic   Nice work! :beer2: I'm interested to...   May 21 2007, 08:53 AM
toon1   This is exactly what I was contemplating for my T...   May 21 2007, 10:28 AM
yarin   Hey Keith, Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I...   Nov 24 2007, 12:03 AM
toon1   I did some calculations with the ford escort inj. ...   Nov 24 2007, 12:35 AM
yarin   I did some calculations with the ford escort inj....   Nov 24 2007, 11:40 AM
Carrera916   Hey Toon, it looks real good and i'm doing th...   Nov 24 2007, 12:36 AM
toon1   Hey Toon, it looks real good and i'm doing t...   Nov 24 2007, 12:56 AM
Carrera916   Yeah, your set up sounds good and yes, my AAR will...   Nov 24 2007, 01:59 AM
toon1   If you are looking to keep things looking stock, D...   Nov 24 2007, 09:12 AM
yarin   I merged two databases of info to help others sele...   Nov 24 2007, 02:04 PM
orange914   really impressive keith :trophy: when your at the...   Nov 24 2007, 03:40 PM
Jake Raby   I have found that injectors operating over 80% dut...   Nov 25 2007, 11:05 AM
jimkelly   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...c=772...   Nov 25 2007, 11:42 AM
toon1   Hi guy's, I will try to catchup, I've been...   Nov 25 2007, 07:48 PM
arvcube   great info! i'm interested in how you...   Nov 25 2007, 08:21 PM
toon1   great info! i'm interested in how you...   Nov 25 2007, 08:37 PM
arvcube   The EDIS wheel is already... Jake will have a...   Nov 25 2007, 11:12 PM
toon1   The EDIS wheel is already... Jake will have ...   Nov 26 2007, 09:12 AM
Jake Raby   I don't like experimental things, unless thos...   Nov 26 2007, 10:55 AM
toon1   I don't like experimental things, unless tho...   Nov 26 2007, 11:07 AM
Jake Raby   The main advantage of SDS was it is proven, well p...   Nov 26 2007, 11:17 AM
toon1   what type of sensors does it have. Are they specif...   Nov 26 2007, 11:56 AM
Jake Raby   Yes, they are all GM excet the CHT which is Bosch....   Nov 26 2007, 01:48 PM
toon1   Good info.are you going 13:1 accross the board. ...   Nov 26 2007, 04:57 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   I thought Dave Hunts problems mostly related to MS...   Nov 26 2007, 09:14 PM
toon1   With the ignition system that the 914 provides, I ...   Nov 26 2007, 11:09 PM
p914   I tried using high impedence injectors from a 89 v...   Nov 26 2007, 11:29 PM
Jake Raby   Were you using the low impedence resistor pack wit...   Nov 27 2007, 12:09 AM
p914   Were you using the low impedence resistor pack wi...   Nov 27 2007, 11:33 AM
toon1   I tried using high impedence injectors from a 89 ...   Nov 27 2007, 11:33 AM
ottox914   SDS is to be commended for providing a basic harn...   Nov 27 2007, 11:16 PM
Jake Raby   I have never had an SDS harness issue either.. The...   Nov 28 2007, 06:19 AM
DNHunt   Ah yes, I remember that beast. Dave   Nov 28 2007, 07:38 AM
JmuRiz   From looking at Jake and David Parsons' projec...   Nov 28 2007, 12:34 PM
ottox914   Its not that hard, read things over 100 times, kno...   Nov 28 2007, 01:16 PM
Jake Raby   Looks like an EFI workshop is in order, or perhaps...   Nov 28 2007, 01:33 PM
blitZ   Looks like an EFI workshop is in order, or perhap...   Nov 29 2007, 07:34 AM
ottox914   Whats out of focus for you?   Nov 29 2007, 09:06 AM
Jake Raby   This sytatement from SDS' web page is perfect....   Nov 29 2007, 09:11 AM
ottox914   Its not that hard, read things over 100 times, kn...   Nov 29 2007, 12:30 PM
Ray Warren   Its not that hard, read things over 100 times, k...   Nov 29 2007, 04:15 PM
blitZ   I know my current Djet injectors are triggered by ...   Nov 29 2007, 01:05 PM
Jake Raby   SDS uses signal from the negative side of the coil...   Nov 29 2007, 03:51 PM


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