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> It's official...., I just got the final word from the hotel
McMark
post Jun 19 2007, 11:00 AM
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I got the call yesterday that the 'performance' for the weekend left around $7500 on the bill. When I told them all my cards were maxed out and my bank accounts were overdrawn, they were gracious enough to drop it down to $5500. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This whole charging thing still leaves a horrible taste in my mouth because it doesn't make any logical sense. But I'm the moron who put his name on the dotted line. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

At this point I doubt there is anything I can really do about it. There is around $1000 coming in from the silent auction.

As I told a few people at the event, I really thought they were going to be a little more gracious about this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

Anyone have any ties to the Hilton corp?
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post Jun 20 2007, 12:14 AM
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Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advice is welcome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif)

Page 3 has all the fine print.


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post Jun 20 2007, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 19 2007, 11:14 PM) *

Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advice is welcome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif)

Page 3 has all the fine print.


Ouch...

Actually page 2 looks like the trouble.

"Performance Fee: If the event is held, but the hotel does not realize the total revenue anticipate from your event, you agree to pay performance damages. The damages owed will be the amount necessary for the hotel to receive no less than 80% of the total anticipated revenue from your event."

If I'm understanding these contract terms correctly you committed to bring the hotel $7,750 a day for 3 days (50 rooms) and guarenteed the hotel at least 80% of the committed $23,250 (=~$18,600) [probably doesn't include more money for taxes].

So if we didn't fill ~ 40 rooms, the hotel still gets to collect money up to 80% of the expected $7,750/day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

What is jacked up is the part that says the rate is available for 3 days before and after the event days, which apparently didn't get honored.

Your best bet is probably to get the "performance fee penalty" reduced by proving that there were event people that didn't get properly accounted for (paid full price).

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post Jun 20 2007, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(GTeener @ Jun 20 2007, 03:12 PM) *

What is jacked up is the part that says the rate is available for 3 days before and after the event days, which apparently didn't get honored.


What is meant by this is that anyone who reserved rooms under the WCR would be given that same per-day room rate for up to 3 days before and 3 days after the event itself. So if you wanted to stay Monday night as well, they would give you the same rate.

What isn't mentioned anywhere in the contract is a date at which they would no longer honor the WCR special rate - only a date at which they will sell any unreserved rooms to the general public. And they clearly did not honor the $155 rate after some unspecified date.

A certain number of rooms were obligated to be filled at a specified rate. But they refused to fill rooms at that rate after some unspecified date, thereby turning away potential attendees and room reservations, as well as probably not counting some who were denied the WCR rate in our total.

I think that's probably the best avenue of defense.
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QUOTE(Demick @ Jun 20 2007, 03:33 PM) *

QUOTE(GTeener @ Jun 20 2007, 03:12 PM) *

What is jacked up is the part that says the rate is available for 3 days before and after the event days, which apparently didn't get honored.


What is meant by this is that anyone who reserved rooms under the WCR would be given that same per-day room rate for up to 3 days before and 3 days after the event itself. So if you wanted to stay Monday night as well, they would give you the same rate.

What isn't mentioned anywhere in the contract is a date at which they would no longer honor the WCR special rate - only a date at which they will sell any unreserved rooms to the general public. And they clearly did not honor the $155 rate after some unspecified date.

A certain number of rooms were obligated to be filled at a specified rate. But they refused to fill rooms at that rate after some unspecified date, thereby turning away potential attendees and room reservations, as well as probably not counting some who were denied the WCR rate in our total.

I think that's probably the best avenue of defense.


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McMark   It's official....   Jun 19 2007, 11:00 AM
Dr Evil   WTF is this about? Are these extra charges? Gonna ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:02 AM
914nerd   For those of us who don't know what is going o...   Jun 19 2007, 11:04 AM
aircooledboy   Yikes. :blink: That all sounds more like lease p...   Jun 19 2007, 11:14 AM
rhodyguy   time for world to show some heart...again. pm me y...   Jun 19 2007, 11:13 AM
McMark   It's a confusing story, because it's kind ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:13 AM
TROJANMAN   So at the end of it all there ended up being a bu...   Jun 19 2007, 12:36 PM
blitZ   That makes no sense. They cannot charge you for s...   Jun 19 2007, 11:24 AM
Heeltoe914   You should get a letter from me and other parties ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:31 AM
GTeener   You should get a letter from me and other parties...   Jun 19 2007, 01:17 PM
ChrisNPDrider   Some of the thousands of dollars on my credit card...   Jun 19 2007, 11:36 AM
rhodyguy   $199 A NIGHT!!?. the complimentary b-...   Jun 19 2007, 11:38 AM
Heeltoe914   What Buffet! had to pay everything, Go...   Jun 19 2007, 11:42 AM
Dr Evil   That sounds like shit, Mark. If they can offer the...   Jun 19 2007, 11:44 AM
hwgunner   That sounds like shit, Mark. If they can offer th...   Jun 19 2007, 11:56 AM
SirAndy   hey mark, btw. first, they charged me the *full* ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:45 AM
Demick   I agree with Leamon. The hotel was not flexible o...   Jun 19 2007, 11:45 AM
BMXerror   Mark could have thrown in the towel and cancelle...   Jun 19 2007, 12:00 PM
hwgunner   Mark, first ask them what there average occupancy ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:53 AM
Blood red 914-6gt   If you would like us to I can throw in 25 to help....   Jun 19 2007, 11:58 AM
rhodyguy   no comp'ed buffet? such a deal... :rolleyes: ...   Jun 19 2007, 11:58 AM
Headrage   :WTF: This is total bs. If they supposedly had a...   Jun 19 2007, 12:05 PM
Tobra   :WTF: This is total bs. If they supposedly had ...   Jun 19 2007, 08:35 PM
914nerd   This seems like BS I would take up the offers from...   Jun 19 2007, 12:49 PM
jimkelly   they came down from 7500 to 5500 pretty quickly i...   Jun 19 2007, 12:52 PM
markb   It really does sound like you're getting screw...   Jun 19 2007, 12:55 PM
xitspd   Well boyz the hotel business is a UGLY business...   Jun 19 2007, 12:55 PM
jgara962   Mark, Be sure to keep us posted on what's goi...   Jun 19 2007, 12:59 PM
ConeDodger   Mark, I just paypaled the balance due on the oil ...   Jun 19 2007, 01:02 PM
McMark   I will scan the contract later tonight and post it...   Jun 19 2007, 01:17 PM
neo914-6   In either case, post a PayPal or mail address. CC...   Jun 19 2007, 01:57 PM
DerekKim   Might want to also have people who were charged fu...   Jun 19 2007, 02:12 PM
Grimstead   I'm sure this will work out (hopefully without...   Jun 19 2007, 04:48 PM
jaminM3   I'll send some cash if it will help. God knows...   Jun 19 2007, 05:31 PM
ConeDodger   I'll send some cash if it will help. God know...   Jun 19 2007, 06:40 PM
obscurity   You may have struck a differnt deal with this hote...   Jun 19 2007, 07:10 PM
smj   Good to hear you're getting some additional ey...   Jun 19 2007, 08:14 PM
jkeyzer   Note that more than a couple attendees of the WCR ...   Jun 19 2007, 08:27 PM
Coy   Keep us all posted. I'll paypal a little cash...   Jun 19 2007, 08:39 PM
Gint   If you get stuck with the bill Mark, I'll defi...   Jun 19 2007, 09:44 PM
Headrage   What a load a crap... :agree:   Jun 19 2007, 09:49 PM
boxstr   Mark, take half of what you were going to send me ...   Jun 19 2007, 10:45 PM
McMark   Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advice...   Jun 20 2007, 12:14 AM
hwgunner   Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advic...   Jun 20 2007, 12:47 AM
ConeDodger   Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advi...   Jun 20 2007, 12:50 AM
McMark   Stupid question but did you sign and send it in??...   Jun 20 2007, 10:42 AM
GTeener   Here are the contract papers. Any ideas or advic...   Jun 20 2007, 04:12 PM
Demick   What is jacked up is the part that says the rate ...   Jun 20 2007, 04:33 PM
GTeener   What is jacked up is the part that says the rate...   Jun 20 2007, 05:00 PM
grantsfo   Mark, If you can prove that some people didnt rec...   Jun 20 2007, 12:59 AM
Tobra   Mark, If you can prove that some people didnt re...   Jun 20 2007, 10:32 AM
roadster fan   Hey Mark, Thanks again for doing all the hard wo...   Jun 20 2007, 01:13 AM
ConeDodger   I have an idea... It occurs to me that Mark shoul...   Jun 20 2007, 01:19 AM
markb   I have an idea... It occurs to me that Mark shou...   Jun 20 2007, 01:35 AM
roadster fan   No objection here either! :)   Jun 20 2007, 01:46 AM
Heeltoe914   I will as well donate. But someone that is a good ...   Jun 20 2007, 09:43 AM
ConeDodger   How do I set up a Paypal account dedicated to this...   Jun 20 2007, 10:24 AM
rhodyguy   during your talks with the 'head cheeses...   Jun 20 2007, 10:51 AM
914nerd   Yeah This community doesn't exactly have a sho...   Jun 20 2007, 10:55 AM
TROJANMAN   Mark, Something is still not right. A phone cal...   Jun 20 2007, 11:14 AM
ConeDodger   I have set up a separate Paypal account with Yopu ...   Jun 20 2007, 11:18 AM
jgara962   I have set up a separate Paypal account with Yopu...   Jun 20 2007, 01:00 PM
McMark   I just wanted to update everyone and let you know ...   Jun 20 2007, 12:52 PM
KELTY360   :agree:   Jun 20 2007, 01:05 PM
Jake Raby   Damn... All I can say is this is the typical resul...   Jun 20 2007, 01:08 PM
BMXerror   Damn... All I can say is this is the typical resu...   Jun 20 2007, 02:05 PM
skline   Mark, I just printed the contract and showed to m...   Jun 20 2007, 01:20 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   Mark, I just printed the contract and showed to ...   Jun 20 2007, 01:26 PM
Dr Evil   Mark, I just printed the contract and showed to...   Jun 20 2007, 01:49 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   [quote name='Blood red 914-6gt' post='913740...   Jun 20 2007, 02:03 PM
JB 914   [quote name='Blood red 914-6gt' post='91374...   Jun 21 2007, 06:58 PM
TROJANMAN   Mark, I just printed the contract and showed to...   Jun 20 2007, 02:30 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   :rotfl: Very good, but that is why I am hoping for...   Jun 20 2007, 02:35 PM
JRust   I'd be willing to help a little too. Hopefully...   Jun 20 2007, 02:42 PM
aircooledboy   Boy, there are some real pieces of work here all t...   Jun 20 2007, 02:54 PM
TROJANMAN   You know what Greg, that could happen. Or, maybe ...   Jun 20 2007, 03:22 PM
aircooledboy   Unnecessarily pissy overreacting rant deleted. Gr...   Jun 20 2007, 05:10 PM
Blood red 914-6gt   You know what Greg, that could happen. Or, maybe...   Jun 20 2007, 02:59 PM
McMark   Well, I'm considering all opinions and biding ...   Jun 20 2007, 04:10 PM
Dr Evil   Well, I'm considering all opinions and biding...   Jun 20 2007, 05:26 PM
914nerd   Edited   Jun 20 2007, 05:49 PM
Gint   And yes, ubiquitous is just one of those words tha...   Jun 20 2007, 06:55 PM
spunone   Chris you be da man Thanks for doing what you do ...   Jun 20 2007, 06:07 PM
SLITS   Just pass the collection plate so I can go back to...   Jun 20 2007, 06:12 PM
hwgunner   Mark, you have a PM. Call me anytime if you need ...   Jun 20 2007, 10:16 PM
skline   My comments were not intended to be negative, mere...   Jun 20 2007, 10:37 PM
SLITS   Hey Scott, don't worry about it. The bottom f...   Jun 21 2007, 10:23 AM
highways   Lawyers+Porsches VS. Hiltons+incarcerated hoe daug...   Jun 21 2007, 05:46 PM
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xitspd   Mark, Give them a proposed settle offer of 50%. ...   Jun 22 2007, 10:51 AM
McMark   My Last Email: The Hotel's Reply: Here i...   Jun 22 2007, 12:22 PM
Krimee Ariver   Mark, You should take the number down before 1000...   Jun 22 2007, 12:39 PM
Headrage   :WTF: My name isn't even on there. :blink: ...   Jun 22 2007, 12:44 PM
McMark   Hey that ain't right... Who else isn't on...   Jun 22 2007, 01:14 PM
sendjonathanmail   wow..they're asking for payment every week...n...   Jun 22 2007, 01:19 PM
McMark   Also, did anyone get charged over $155.   Jun 22 2007, 01:22 PM
Headrage   Also, did anyone get charged over $155. Ye...   Jun 22 2007, 01:25 PM
GTeener   :confused: I know I gave them the group code but ...   Jun 22 2007, 01:37 PM
McMark   BTW, DO NOT CALL ON MY BEHALF. We are working on ...   Jun 22 2007, 02:13 PM
dakotaewing   If the hotel was booked to capacity on any of thos...   Jun 22 2007, 02:32 PM
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