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Pigeon feeders attract me ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 938 Joined: 24-July 07 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 7,942 Region Association: None ![]() |
Hey Guys,
As I'm nearing completion of my fuel system resto on my teener...I'm faced with the choice of tires, as the first stop for me is going to be discount tire for a balancing; as the car shimmies when I get around 65 mph, then a trip to gashead motorworks for an alignment, as it pulls to the right. I was thinking, since I'm at DT, mayhaps I should put some new shoes on there. I HATE the tires on the teener, they are 185 65 R15's from god knows who...they say HR metric. They have ZERO grip and I've almost spun the car twice because of their utter lack of traction...and my utter lack of skill (IMG:style_emoticons/default/owned.gif) I'd like some recommendations from you guys...I was thinking of some Falken Azenis in 205 50 r 15's, but I've found on here that they are so small the engine is really revved up on the highway, and I would like to take the car to galveston a few times, and screaming engines on the highway would get annoying, as houston highway speeds are in the 80's. Any recommendations for me that DONT involve flares, 5 lugs, or prayers to Ra, god of the sun? Having a somewhat accurate speedo would be nice... I'm running stock 15X5.5 Mahle's with a 2 inch drop. This car is unlikely to see a whole lot of track time until I put my dual 40's on it... |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 607 Joined: 7-January 07 From: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,435 Region Association: None ![]() |
Well guys the Fuzion ZRi is a Bridgestone RE750 with a different mould...Bridgestone offered them to the tuner market to compete with low priced tires as well as to build loyalty with a newer generation....they didn't want to spend $$$ to R&D a less expensive tire...so they "borrowed" a current casing and by calling it a new sales channel (with less of a budget and not a new company...same people too) made the best secret in the industry value wise....Although your "Firestone" story was amusing...BTW Bridgestone is the Largest Tire and rubber company in the world and recovered from the voluntary recall shortly afterwards posting profits exceeding everyone in the industry...some others are still losing $$$.
MtM...The cheap tires are not new technology, the smaller companies just cannot invest the money in R&D that the big 2 can. Also their engineering is not upgraded...ok maybe a cosmetic face lift, but the casings are years out of date and nowhere near state of the art....(with the V700 victoracer proviso). I venture to say that your dealer friend sells Hankook ...probably a few so he'd better stand behind them...but if he's a competitive auto -x guy I bet he'd get lower times with Hoosiers, BFGs, Toyo Ra1s or any other decent R compound tire.... Trust me, (I'm not making any money here) Tires to your car are like speakers to your audio system....if you go cheap it lowers the quality of the whole system...but if you have never had a good system or can't tell the difference you'll be happy with crap...and some people are. Purple, If I were you I'd go see these tires in person...the RE960 may be too much tire for your application...I dont know if you want a soft ride or a firm one...if firm, how firm? You probably want a tire that looks good too...I think the Turanza LSV is a great touring tire for a street driven narrow body where comfort, less noise and performance are all of importance...if you want the sporty look you also get better steering response and more noise. Shorter sidewalls must be stiffer and transmit more "road feel" (all of this is in general terms of course)...I'm guessing by your original post you are looking for a balance...tires are a personal thing IMHO. Anyone that can quickly reccomend a tire for you from the multitudes on the market without playing 20 questions first just wants your $ and doesn't really care. Car enthusiasts whether they can tell the difference or not usually care.... and in time will come to learn what they like in tires as others learn what they like in wine (it comes with experience). But it still holds true...you get what you pay for. |
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Sooo Close....... ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 14-May 04 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 2,068 Region Association: Europe ![]() |
Well guys the Fuzion ZRi is a Bridgestone RE750 with a different mould... >>> so you say? Bridgestone offered them to the tuner market to compete with low priced tires as well as to build loyalty with a newer generation....they didn't want to spend $$$ to R&D a less expensive tire...so they "borrowed" a current casing and by calling it a new sales channel (with less of a budget and not a new company...same people too) made the best secret in the industry value wise >>>"Fuzion" company is new - they are made in a different location than others ....Although your "Firestone" story was amusing.. >>> You find the reasoning behind firestone killing and mameing hundreds of people "amusing"?? Fuzion came out AFTER they killed allot of people - not BEFORE to sell to a tuner crowd -- .BTW Bridgestone is the Largest Tire and rubber company in the world and recovered from the voluntary recall shortly afterwards posting profits exceeding everyone in the industry...some others are still losing $$$. >>> I never said Bridgestone division is failing - Firestone is - just so you do not confuse anybody please tell all what auto manufacturer still uses firestone tires as an OEM? Particularly compare oem now to oem before they killed people MtM...The cheap tires are not new technology, the smaller companies just cannot invest the money in R&D that the big 2 can. Also their engineering is not upgraded...ok maybe a cosmetic face lift, but the casings are years out of date and nowhere near state of the art....(with the V700 victoracer proviso). >>>So you are saying even tho it is not broken, because it is not "updated" is IS broken?? I venture to say that your dealer friend sells Hankook ...probably a few so he'd better stand behind them...but if he's a competitive auto -x guy I bet he'd get lower times with Hoosiers, BFGs, Toyo Ra1s or any other decent R compound tire.... >>> If you think Hankooks are good, just go buy a set of pepboy specials and see if you can ever balance them - they are made by Hankook and are absolute crap Trust me, (I'm not making any money here) Tires to your car are like speakers to your audio system....if you go cheap it lowers the quality of the whole system.. >>>> Only rich people with money to burn would make such a statement .but if you have never had a good system or can't tell the difference you'll be happy with crap...and some people are. Anyone that can quickly reccomend a tire for you from the multitudes on the market without playing 20 questions first just wants your $ and doesn't really care. >>Did you just call me and everybody else who has chimed in a cheat and a scam??? Car enthusiasts whether they can tell the difference or not usually care.... and in time will come to learn what they like in tires as others learn what they like in wine (it comes with experience). But it still holds true...you get what you pay for. >>> And as an MASTER ASE TECH I hold true to having found the absolute best dollar for the money tire made to date - my business is saving people money while ensuring thier safety. PERIOD. These statements you make are causing you to come off brash - and insulting, think about how you said some of this stuff dude----I and others should be able to make a recommendation w/o you calling us cheats... |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 607 Joined: 7-January 07 From: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,435 Region Association: None ![]() |
Well guys the Fuzion ZRi is a Bridgestone RE750 with a different mould... >>> so you say?I work for a Tire Manufacturer...I don't care if you don't believe me Bridgestone offered them to the tuner market to compete with low priced tires as well as to build loyalty with a newer generation....they didn't want to spend $$$ to R&D a less expensive tire...so they "borrowed" a current casing and by calling it a new sales channel (with less of a budget and not a new company...same people too) made the best secret in the industry value wise >>>"Fuzion" company is new - they are made in a different location than othersCheck your facts Fuzion is a sales "channel" not a new company...they do not have a dedicated facility. they are produced where costs are most advantagous. ....Although your "Firestone" story was amusing.. >>> You find the reasoning behind firestone killing and mameing hundreds of people "amusing"?? Fuzion came out AFTER they killed allot of people - not BEFORE to sell to a tuner crowd --Again, check you facts NHTSA cleared Firestone and the tires were not solely at fault...this is a complicated study where at the end of the day Firestone was not held at fault for any deaths. Deaths are never amusing. Are you saying that Bridgestone Firestone can not start a new sales channel to meet changing market needs? .BTW Bridgestone is the Largest Tire and rubber company in the world and recovered from the voluntary recall shortly afterwards posting profits exceeding everyone in the industry...some others are still losing $$$. >>> I never said Bridgestone division is failing - Firestone is - just so you do not confuse anybody please tell all what auto manufacturer still uses firestone tires as an OEM? Particularly compare oem now to oem before they killed peopleHow about General Motors (Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, Saturn), Nissan, Toyota, Dodge, Honda, Subaru, and even FORD and Mercury. Oh, Firestone is not failing...infact it is growing...number one in agricultural, mining and forrestry tires...passenger and light truck are a small portion of the pie....not to mention building products... MtM...The cheap tires are not new technology, the smaller companies just cannot invest the money in R&D that the big 2 can. Also their engineering is not upgraded...ok maybe a cosmetic face lift, but the casings are years out of date and nowhere near state of the art....(with the V700 victoracer proviso). >>>So you are saying even tho it is not broken, because it is not "updated" is IS broken??No, I am saying smaller companies use older technology. R&D costs money...if you want the best there is... it costs more. I venture to say that your dealer friend sells Hankook ...probably a few so he'd better stand behind them...but if he's a competitive auto -x guy I bet he'd get lower times with Hoosiers, BFGs, Toyo Ra1s or any other decent R compound tire.... >>> If you think Hankooks are good, just go buy a set of pepboy specials and see if you can ever balance them - they are made by Hankook and are absolute crapI didn't say Hankooks are good...if you read and comprihended it, I said the opposite. Trust me, (I'm not making any money here) Tires to your car are like speakers to your audio system....if you go cheap it lowers the quality of the whole system.. >>>> Only rich people with money to burn would make such a statementI'm not rich, it is a similie to demonstrate a concept. .but if you have never had a good system or can't tell the difference you'll be happy with crap...and some people are. Anyone that can quickly reccomend a tire for you from the multitudes on the market without playing 20 questions first just wants your $ and doesn't really care. >>Did you just call me and everybody else who has chimed in a cheat and a scam???No, I haven't called anybody anything...I said that selecting the right tire for an application takes more than a size and a price book. Car enthusiasts whether they can tell the difference or not usually care.... and in time will come to learn what they like in tires as others learn what they like in wine (it comes with experience). But it still holds true...you get what you pay for. >>> And as an MASTER ASE TECH I hold true to having found the absolute best dollar for the money tire made to date - my business is saving people money while ensuring thier safety. PERIOD. These statements you make are causing you to come off brash - and insulting, think about how you said some of this stuff dude----I and others should be able to make a recommendation w/o you calling us cheats... I did not have the intent of insulting anyone...just sharing my opinion and 12 years tire manufacturing experience (and 18 years racing experience) with those who don't have the benefit of being in the industry. You sound angry...you should chill and not take things so personally...that means don't put things in other peoples mouths....nobody called anyone a "cheat"... |
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Sooo Close....... ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 14-May 04 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 2,068 Region Association: Europe ![]() |
You sound angry...you should chill and not take things so personally...that means don't put things in other peoples mouths....nobody called anyone a "cheat"... [/quote] [/quote] No-no, not angry - and not taking things personally - however you did make mention that people chiming in w/o asking 20 questions are 'cheats', it was inferred - intelligent people know the difference -sorry, you did. And just because you work in the industry, well it is obvious you do not work for bridg / firestone or you would have claimed to. To know that much about another companies secrets which are kept on the order of national type secrets is worth pondering - I work for a global manufacturer who is moving very fast past everyone else and has the deepest connections within the tire industry as a whole - and as a master tech I am privy (by Toyota) to alot of things most people(99%) are not - this is how I am able to do my job of keeping the public safe and continually improving on the stellar brand of Toyota. A vast majority of company improvements come from the field from guys and gals who do the work like myself - like it is said "an engineer cannot build squat, only point the way for the technician to shows it's deficiencies and make it work better". Do you see how we can be in the same "operation" and yet one know much more than the other -- BTW - all those manufacturers you claim to use firestone as an oem are false, way, way false, checks those facts again - especially Toyota - they will not touch firestone with a 10 foot pole hanging from your hand - and who really cares if they are big in the ag. industry - really. The Fuzions are much more inexpensive because like it has been pointed out - they use a proven base which has been in production for many years w/o fault. The youngsters with bright ideas designed the new improved tread -(Some came from firestone some from bridgestone, some from other places) The engineers who made up the fuzion brand do not simply wash thier hands and start on another brands latest and greatest - they continue working for THAT same brand. The compound has also been tweeked - this was direct response to the firestone fiasco - and yes the tires themselves were not at fault, a human being was. But who's responsibility was it to monitor that human being?? Firestone???????? This is good candor - What it comes down to is some believe in order to have quality you must pay out the ass - - Others are anti-thetical to this belief with data to back it up |
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