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> Crankshaft Hub Bolt Loose? Torque spec?, Sigh...
GregAmy
post Oct 22 2023, 11:20 AM
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Is it a known issue for the fan hub bolt to loosen?

Backstory: car started running like hell last Spring on my Microsquirt conversion. Wouldn't rev, #3 CHT going vertical, very hot exhaust. WTF, over? I checked some basic stuff, nothing found.

Drove it again a week later and it seemed to be getting worse. Checked the ECU logs and all seemed normal, TPS, MPS, all working as expected. I even went back to a tune that worked great in November (only difference was cold startup stuff, which I can test/adjust in the Spring when it's colder), but still even worse. Checked timing with an adjustable light at full advance, spot on for what the ignition map was calling for.

I parked the car. Life was busy this year and I just didn't have time to deal with it. But I trotted it out again in September, and it was just as bad. Since I had problems with the IGN4VW coil a year or so ago (mounted in a hot place and was cutting out), I replaced the coil with one from NAPA.

Suddenly the car would not start at all. And when I looked at the ECU logs during cranking, I was seeing 0 RPMs. Bad crank position sensor?

Today I put the car on the lift and visually inspected the crank position sensor (as well as I could, anyway; the toothed gear replaces the A/C spacer) and the spacing of the CPS tip to the teeth was clearly too large; whereas it should be about 50-thou, it was actually around 1/8"-3/16". I pried on the sensor bracket with a screwdriver, and it was solidly mounted, no looseness.

I know I spent a LOT of time getting that sensor set just right during the install (you can't get it it with the engine installed). So I knew something was up. The sensor was solidly mounted, the toothed wheel was not loose, so there was only one thing to check...

..and yup, the hub bolt was loose, allowing the hub to walk outward. Sigh...

I tightened it down - best spec I can find in the interwebs is 23ft-lbs - and of course the car fired right up and drives fine. I hope this didn't cause any other damage...

Is this common? I've never seen it before. The engine was built in California and I truly don't recall who installed the hub, them or me. It's torqued down right now and I'm going to check it on a regular basis (I thought about pulling the bolt and putting Blue Loc-Tite on it, but if I lost that bolt in there then I'd be toast and would have to pull the engine to get it back. Arthritis in the thumbs and tennis elbow so NFW I'm tempting that Fate...)

Oh, and then I broke the door cam actuator when I was putting it back in the garage..it just never ends, does it...? - GA
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GregAmy   Crankshaft Hub Bolt Loose? Torque spec?   Oct 22 2023, 11:20 AM
930cabman   It does not end Having the fan/pulley loose on th...   Oct 22 2023, 01:27 PM
930cabman   It does not end Having the fan/pulley loose on t...   Oct 23 2023, 05:03 AM
Montreal914   Would the trigger wheel material have something wi...   Oct 22 2023, 02:05 PM
GregAmy   I can't seem to get the idle down below 1350 R...   Oct 22 2023, 03:50 PM
Montreal914   Was the flywheel mark marching the fan mark when y...   Oct 22 2023, 04:41 PM
GregAmy   I'd love to hear otherwise, but I seem to reca...   Oct 22 2023, 05:11 PM
930cabman   I'd love to hear otherwise, but I seem to rec...   Oct 22 2023, 05:49 PM
GregAmy   Are you sure the tapered connection has come loose...   Oct 22 2023, 06:22 PM
cgnj   @GregAmy Had the same problem last spring. Woodru...   Oct 22 2023, 06:33 PM
GregAmy   "Woodruff key". That's the search te...   Oct 22 2023, 07:52 PM
Superhawk996   But to be reliable, the tapers have to fit snugl...   Oct 23 2023, 08:07 AM
ChrisFoley   The front crankshaft seal rides on the fan hub. If...   Oct 23 2023, 04:47 AM
GregAmy   No front seal leaks, Chris. It only came out about...   Oct 23 2023, 08:47 AM
ChrisFoley   No front seal leaks, Chris. It only came out abou...   Oct 23 2023, 12:50 PM
Dave97   I had the bolt come loose on mine a year ago. It ...   Oct 23 2023, 09:06 AM
930cabman   I had the bolt come loose on mine a year ago. It...   Oct 23 2023, 10:49 AM
Montreal914   Seems like there have been Woodruff key issues rec...   Oct 23 2023, 01:58 PM
930cabman   How many,what size are you looking for? https://w...   Oct 24 2023, 01:32 PM
GregAmy   And...update. Here's several thousand words in...   Oct 30 2023, 01:00 PM
930cabman   Ouch Any idea how long this had been loose? Thin...   Oct 30 2023, 01:07 PM
GregAmy   Any idea how long this had been loose? Just a wil...   Oct 30 2023, 01:36 PM
AZBanks   This happened to me. The guy who put the engine ba...   Oct 30 2023, 01:49 PM
GregAmy   The next time I saw the guy, I told him he was an...   Oct 30 2023, 01:58 PM
Superhawk996   Pretty good chance you can repair it with careful ...   Oct 30 2023, 02:21 PM
ChrisFoley   Pretty good chance you can repair it with careful...   Oct 30 2023, 06:07 PM
Superhawk996   Pretty good chance you can repair it with carefu...   Oct 30 2023, 06:40 PM
930cabman   Pretty good chance you can repair it with careful...   Oct 30 2023, 06:22 PM
Superhawk996   At least 90% of the work is done with a well fit...   Oct 30 2023, 06:45 PM
GregAmy   I was recently reminded that early Miatas had a pr...   Oct 31 2023, 07:05 AM
Superhawk996   What I can't tell if the keyway would removabl...   Oct 31 2023, 08:18 AM
GregAmy   What grit lapping compound do we suggest? Amazon ...   Oct 31 2023, 08:34 AM
Superhawk996   Start coarse and work down - use Prussian blue to ...   Oct 31 2023, 10:03 AM
930cabman   Start coarse and work down - use Prussian blue to...   Oct 31 2023, 12:58 PM
Superhawk996   Budget three hours :D Anytime I tell my wife it...   Oct 31 2023, 10:12 AM
GregAmy   Is this a build blog now...? :beer1: Hey, maybe ...   Nov 3 2023, 08:11 AM
GregAmy   Is this a build blog now...? :beer1: Hey, maybe ...   Nov 3 2023, 08:20 AM
Porschef   That looks pretty good Greg :beer2: Tedious work...   Nov 3 2023, 08:35 AM
GregAmy   Tedious work, no doubt. Surprisingly, easier than...   Nov 3 2023, 08:44 AM
930cabman   Looks like you are getting a decent amount of cont...   Nov 3 2023, 09:07 AM
Superhawk996   Definitely looking better and promising. Would ...   Nov 3 2023, 11:12 AM
rudedude   You might want to make sure that the hub doesn’t...   Nov 3 2023, 11:46 AM
ClayPerrine   This same thing happened to Betty's car 35 yea...   Nov 3 2023, 02:13 PM
Superhawk996   One of the "repair" techniques I did w...   Nov 13 2023, 10:50 AM
GregAmy   Still ongoing. Using a dental pick I realized the ...   Nov 4 2023, 07:36 AM
930cabman   Still ongoing. Using a dental pick I realized the...   Nov 4 2023, 11:22 AM
Superhawk996   [quote name='GregAmy' post='3111166' date='Nov 4 ...   Nov 4 2023, 12:45 PM
Superhawk996   :clap: Will be watching. I think it’s all g...   Nov 4 2023, 07:54 AM
GregAmy   It's done, no more checks/changes. Hub, toothe...   Nov 4 2023, 03:39 PM
GregAmy   Ok, really really last post here, I'm hoping: ...   Nov 7 2023, 06:20 PM
GregAmy   Ok, seems I can't quit you... I was cleaning ...   Nov 13 2023, 07:47 AM
Superhawk996   I'm sure the engineer didn't want that ta...   Nov 13 2023, 10:37 AM
technicalninja   Ok, seems I can't quit you... I was cleaning...   Nov 13 2023, 11:32 AM
Superhawk996   The Type 4 engine has no vibration damper on it...   Nov 13 2023, 12:19 PM
technicalninja   SH is right about the crank bolt not being the rea...   Nov 13 2023, 12:08 PM
930cabman   SH is right about the crank bolt not being the re...   Nov 13 2023, 12:23 PM
GregAmy   ...is there a telltale noise or other symptom us n...   Nov 13 2023, 02:41 PM
technicalninja   OK Master... Why are SO many high-performance bal...   Nov 13 2023, 12:40 PM
Superhawk996   OK Master... Why are SO many high-performance ba...   Nov 13 2023, 07:13 PM
Superhawk996   duplicate   Nov 13 2023, 07:16 PM
930cabman   I will put my $5. on they were never properly...   Nov 13 2023, 12:45 PM
Superhawk996   I will put my $5. on they were never properl...   Nov 13 2023, 07:15 PM
Geezer914   Greg, sorry to hear about the layoff. After readi...   Nov 13 2023, 04:22 PM
technicalninja   I will put my $5. on they were never proper...   Nov 13 2023, 11:09 PM
Superhawk996   I do have a question. You mentioned EARLY 911 mo...   Nov 14 2023, 12:21 AM
Superhawk996   Not trying to throw anyone under the bus so to spe...   Nov 14 2023, 12:05 AM
technicalninja   Greg, when I first saw the damage on the crank sno...   Nov 14 2023, 12:34 AM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Nov 16 2023, 07:10 PM
technicalninja   Once again, your tenacity is impressive! Than...   Nov 16 2023, 07:26 PM
Superhawk996   I need to think up some un-answerable question f...   Nov 16 2023, 07:54 PM
930cabman   Once again, your tenacity is impressive! Tha...   Nov 17 2023, 10:48 AM
technicalninja   @Superhawk996 I didn't intend to insinuate t...   Nov 17 2023, 09:50 AM
Superhawk996   I've seen multiple threads in the short time...   Nov 17 2023, 12:52 PM
Superhawk996   In the Miata world the stock balancer is SO bad ...   Nov 17 2023, 01:05 PM
Superhawk996   I didn't intend to insinuate that you were w...   Nov 17 2023, 01:16 PM
technicalninja   In stock form I'd have bet 250K... Bet your e...   Nov 17 2023, 01:18 PM
GregAmy   I was having a dinner conversation with a couple b...   Nov 21 2023, 11:08 AM
930cabman   I was having a dinner conversation with a couple ...   Nov 21 2023, 02:28 PM
technicalninja   The later model Audi with the direct injected V6 c...   Nov 21 2023, 09:37 PM


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