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> Troubleshooting help 1.7 FI, Updated: I almost have defeated the D Jet Demons!
Robarabian
post Jul 13 2024, 08:52 PM
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Thank you to the collective here, I learned alot. As of yesterday, the car starts, idles higher when cold, settles after the AAR opens. The throttle is responsive. The MPS works, the throttle position switch was re-set and the timing is spot on at 27 degrees and the 123 ignition is working well and playing along with its new friends. . No pops, no backfires.

I took a smart suggestion and did swap out the 71 non adjustable brain box for a 73 1.7 brain box with the knob. That particular setup (thank you @MM1 ) had a very intact wiring harness so I swapped mine for it. Having the knob certainly helps it run smoother.

The last item to deal with is the air intake temperature sensor. It is unplugged right now and runs great. When I plug it in, the idle suffers and it hunts and hunts. So I have ordered a replacement and hope that will solve it. Everything else has been checked and / or replaced / upgraded so I'll cross my fingers there.

The best troubleshooting process was to disconnect everything except the MPS and plug the holes to determine if there was a vacuum leak somewhere, and then plug things in 1 at a time. As I did that, I located the likely faulty sensor.


Again, thank you to everyone who chimed in, your collective ideas kept me from ripping the FI off of it. I know how much better the car will be in stock FI form--in both MPG and value. This literally gets me to now assemble the interior and install the front windshield. Hopefully Hi-Hi Silver will be at a local 914 World Event soon.

Robert
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I am trying to button up what I call "Hi Ho Silver" a 71 I bought during Covid.

Motor is rebuilt by me and cam break in went well, 8-10 months ago. How time flies. I had an oil leak, so I pulled the motor today and located it, resealed it and put the drivetrain back in.

Car now has a 1,2,3 ignition for FI cars. It has only one nipple for vacuum, so the hose from the top of the throttle body is connected to the nipple on the distributor, the bottom vacuum port on the throttle body is capped off. The timing has not been further adjusted, as it wont run long enough without throttle to do that. (I only have 2 hands).

Turn the key, fuel pump kicks on, and the car will start pretty easily with the key turn. It will light, then die within a few seconds. Fuel pressure is at 30 PSI based on the inline gauge.

I can start it and with throttle, keep it running. My best description is that with 0-1/4 throttle won't keep it running, I have to sort of put my foot in it. When it warmed up a bit, it sort of idled, but lobed up and down, to the point it wanted to stall but would catch itself at the last second, and lobe up again. I think this is my best symptom....

The MPS is stock, and holds vacuum and also checked out on the meter.

I've looked at every vacuum line and things are plugged. The car is not driving as of yet in the build process, I am trying to stabilize it so I can work toward a drive down the street.


Any FI info would be helpful. I really want to keep it as stock as possible. I will check all the valves again tomorrow and make sure they are in spec.

Thoughts on where to troubleshoot?

Thank you in advance.
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Robarabian   Troubleshooting help 1.7 FI   Jul 13 2024, 08:52 PM
emerygt350   My first suspicion is your timing. My second is y...   Jul 14 2024, 04:34 AM
Robarabian   I will plug both ports and try. It is running on a...   Jul 14 2024, 08:52 AM
ConeDodger   Vacuum   Jul 14 2024, 08:19 AM
Robarabian   Yes. But... I researched here quite a bit and ther...   Jul 14 2024, 08:54 AM
Superhawk996   Yes. But... I researched here quite a bit and the...   Jul 14 2024, 11:24 AM
ConeDodger   A must be right factor for all efi   Jul 14 2024, 08:26 AM
emerygt350   A must be right factor for all efi Not for d jet...   Jul 14 2024, 04:46 PM
r_towle   you need one vacuum line connected to run and idle...   Jul 14 2024, 11:05 AM
Robarabian   Thank you and other, I will poke around a bit more...   Jul 14 2024, 04:59 PM
emerygt350   The 123 has a digital replacement for the trigger ...   Jul 14 2024, 04:48 PM
emerygt350   This is not a vacuum leak. This is d jet.   Jul 14 2024, 04:48 PM
914_teener   Questions: Does the ECU part number match the mat...   Jul 14 2024, 05:18 PM
Ishley   Make sure your fuel pressure is good. Running the...   Jul 14 2024, 05:46 PM
emerygt350   All of those symptoms point to timing. Loping eng...   Jul 14 2024, 06:12 PM
914_teener   All of those symptoms point to timing. Loping en...   Jul 14 2024, 06:39 PM
Robarabian   I suspect my MPS is faulty. All the vacuum lines a...   Jul 15 2024, 08:29 AM
emerygt350   It ran before with his equipment. The 123 is the ...   Jul 14 2024, 06:43 PM
FlacaProductions   This is interesting. I had a similar situation wi...   Jul 15 2024, 08:58 AM
emerygt350   And don't put any faith in comparing those con...   Jul 15 2024, 11:34 AM
rjames   Since the engine was rebuilt, it's definitely ...   Jul 15 2024, 12:10 PM
emerygt350   Check your wires, check your timing. It very well...   Jul 15 2024, 12:37 PM
Robarabian   UPDATE: Still struggling. I have a properly work...   Jul 20 2024, 01:21 PM
914_teener   UPDATE: Still struggling. I have a properly wor...   Jul 20 2024, 02:15 PM
Robarabian   Ok, I haven't checked the plug at the ECU... I...   Jul 20 2024, 02:17 PM
emerygt350   My 2.0 will run 10 degrees retard and 50 degrees a...   Jul 20 2024, 05:31 PM
Robarabian   UPDATE 7/21/24 I pulled the brain and checked eve...   Jul 21 2024, 04:35 PM
914_teener   My two bits: 1. Set static timing...."the gr...   Jul 22 2024, 02:54 PM
Robarabian   Ok, I finally followed your advice: Capped off al...   Jul 25 2024, 07:54 PM
914_teener   Ok but the air bleed screw should be your last adj...   Jul 25 2024, 08:18 PM
emerygt350   Sluggish throttle response I am still going to hav...   Jul 26 2024, 07:45 AM
Robarabian   Exhaust is smelling rich....no visible smoke color...   Jul 26 2024, 07:50 AM
emerygt350   I would put some more advance into it, but since y...   Jul 26 2024, 06:21 PM
914_teener   I would put some more advance into it, but since ...   Jul 26 2024, 10:35 PM
emerygt350   The only thing that's part of d-jet that would...   Jul 27 2024, 06:13 AM
914_teener   The only thing that's part of d-jet that woul...   Jul 27 2024, 01:36 PM
emerygt350   What is your problem? Do you think I don't kn...   Jul 27 2024, 02:29 PM
914_teener   What is your problem? Do you think I don't k...   Jul 27 2024, 04:27 PM
emerygt350   Then don't tell someone to dismiss another...   Jul 28 2024, 05:41 AM
Robarabian   See top thread update...   Jul 29 2024, 08:49 AM


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