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> Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear, For High Power Applications...
Eric_Shea
post Jan 22 2009, 09:23 PM
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First, hats off to Paul (our previous cover-boy and Excellence darling) for turning the bulb on. We were chatting one day about CV's and such and he said something to the effect of; "just get the right length axles and be done with it."

Well duh.

Just get the right length axles and be done with it. No adapters. No extra bolts. No machining, no issues. Just get the right length axles and be done with it. It had a nice ring to it.

I was on a mission. The mission began with a post to get the proper 914 axle length - 20.25" (thanks Ron). Then the 911 spline count - 28. Then a call to Sway-a-Way... yup, part number 2420 in stock. MSRP - $305.00 Not bad, not bad at all for a pair of custom length axles. http://www.swayaway.com/OffRoadRacing.php

I want to make this harder than it is but honestly gang... it's that simple. Simply get the entire early 911 running gear and insert the proper length axle and you're done. Well, there are a few steps so let's see just what that gear is. From stem to stern it goes like this...

From a pre1974 911:

* 911 Rear Wheel Hub
* 911 Stub Axles
* Entire 911 Axle Assembly w/CV's
* 911 Tranny Flanges (901, 911 or early 915 transmissions)

I had the hubs, I grabbed the axles off a buy Reid made (Lavanaut, thanks!) and I picked up some flanges on eBay or PP (can't remember, getting old before your eyes). All I needed were those axles. All it took was money. While I waited for the axles I got started on the disassembly.

Dusty dirty axles... one of the messiest jobs:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675907.jpg)

Using an air wrench... bolts coming out:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675899.jpg)

Here's you'll see my method for stub axle removal. A BFH and a cold chisel. Be careful to position the cold chisel on the "gasket" between the CV and the stub axle to avoid cranking on the metal bits:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675929.jpg)

They're here. Shiny new axles:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675956.jpg)

The right length too. You can see the difference when compared to the 911 units:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675941.jpg)

The threesome. Short = 911. The loaded shaft is a 914 shaft:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675995.jpg)

I want to emphasize the difference because you simply can't run 911 axles in a 914 (for very long). People have bolted them up but, they hyper extend the CV's and they're gonners in a short while.

Remember all that dirty stuff in the first pics? Well, I make a weekly run to the platers so, my rewards are as follows:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676018.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676029.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676039.jpg)

Speaking of dirty stuff, the CV's needed to be totally disassembled and cleaned. To do this I stuck them in a gallon of that Gunk Carb Cleaner for a week. This is the best way to loosen hardened, caked on grease. When they came out it still took a couple rolls of shop towels to get them cleaned up. Once everything was cleaned it was assembly time. Not too tough really:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676161.jpg)

Start by fitting the inner race into the cage:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676177.jpg)

Then pop the balls in one by one:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676188.jpg)

Then drop the inner assembly into the CV. Simply match up the fat notch on the inside race with the skinny notch on the outside race to line up the path for the balls:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676221.jpg)

Then tilt it back and drop it in:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676247.jpg)

You may have to do a bit of rotating to make it easier but it's fairly straight forward:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676259.jpg)

Ready for the lube:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676320.jpg)

I start by putting the nozzle of the grease tube in the inner ball slots and filling away:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676342.jpg)

Inside started:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676427.jpg)

Then I do the outside the same way:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676380.jpg)

Flip them over and repeat. You do have latex gloves don't you? Once they are loaded you have to massage them by hand to work the grease throughout the joint. TAKE YOUR TIME and get the grease thoroughly into the CV. Notice the Moly-Lube? I use an entire tube for each CV. It's the good stuff.

Now the fun part... bolting it all back together. Here the CV's have new boots and freshly plated top plates:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676292.jpg)

Next the CV's get installed and clipped into place. Once the plates are in place it's time for new boot clips:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676443.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676459.jpg)

New bolts are made ready with new Schnorr washers:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676474.jpg)

...and a new CV gasket is mated to the CV awaiting the stub axle to be bolted on:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676506.jpg)

A quick referrence to the "good book" and let the torquing commence:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676864.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676520.jpg)

And we're done:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676926.jpg)

911 hubs go in the control arms. These shiny stub axles go into the hubs. The shiny nuts get torqued down and the other end gets a gasket and is bolted up to the transmission flanges.

Virtually bullet proof 911 CV's and a complete 5-lug conversion now reside under your 914.
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Eric_Shea   Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear   Jan 22 2009, 09:23 PM
Gint   I saw the pics in the BO. Nice... 914 axle shaft...   Jan 22 2009, 09:25 PM
Eric_Shea   :huh: :blink:   Jan 22 2009, 09:31 PM
Todd Enlund   Sweet!   Jan 22 2009, 09:35 PM
Aaron Cox   Those are some nice.....balls eric..... LOL Good ...   Jan 22 2009, 09:55 PM
kconway   Eric, I'm wondering about the orientation of t...   Jan 22 2009, 10:00 PM
Gint   Eric, I'm wondering about the orientation of t...   Jan 22 2009, 10:09 PM
Gint   While I'm here, no groove for a retaining ring...   Jan 22 2009, 10:16 PM
PRS914-6   The idea is to allow the axle to "float...   Feb 23 2013, 11:53 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :drooley:   Jan 22 2009, 11:14 PM
sixnotfour   Jon, just paint your shafts orange.   Jan 22 2009, 11:16 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :rotfl: I was thinking salmon would be fetching o...   Jan 22 2009, 11:27 PM
JRust   Eric you showed me these a few months back. I defi...   Jan 22 2009, 11:48 PM
PanelBilly   Thanks alot, now I have another item to add to the...   Jan 23 2009, 12:20 AM
TC 914-8   Thanks alot, now I have another item to add to th...   Jan 23 2009, 12:44 AM
Eric_Shea   Both edges were chamfered on the 911 CV's.   Jan 23 2009, 08:32 AM
Eric_Shea   Nada. It was explained to me that it was actual...   Jan 23 2009, 08:40 AM
Eric_Shea   http://www.swayaway.com/OffRoadRacing.php Check...   Jan 23 2009, 08:42 AM
Steve   Paul used 108mm CV's, does anyone know by chan...   Jan 9 2011, 01:59 PM
Eric_Shea   Those are actually 108's as well... I'll s...   Jan 9 2011, 02:09 PM
Steve   According to the PET I came up with this list for ...   Jan 9 2011, 03:15 PM
Eric_Shea   I think you're safe with any of these... they ...   Jan 9 2011, 04:46 PM
Steve   Thanks Eric!! Can I use any one of these p...   Jan 9 2011, 04:50 PM
Eric_Shea   If you get an early 915 that takes the coarse spli...   Jan 9 2011, 07:27 PM
Steve   Thanks Eric!! I am curous what Paul is us...   Jan 9 2011, 09:40 PM
Eric_Shea   I "think" he's using later stuff all...   Jan 9 2011, 09:51 PM
racerbvd   Thanks Eric!!!   Jan 9 2011, 11:20 PM
Harpo   Behold my new 914 axles with 911 C/V joints and sw...   Feb 23 2013, 04:26 PM
PRS914-6   For those of you considering this route the C/V j...   Feb 23 2013, 11:59 PM
Mark Henry   Behold my new 914 axles with 911 C/V joints and s...   Jul 2 2013, 11:34 AM
Mark Henry   Behold my new 914 axles with 911 C/V joints and ...   Dec 13 2013, 01:11 PM
Eric_Shea   Those small clips do seem to have dried up. May h...   Feb 23 2013, 04:58 PM
davesprinkle   Oetiker clamps are available from McMaster-Carr. ...   Feb 23 2013, 05:18 PM
Harpo   I was not able to locate any "ear clamps...   Feb 23 2013, 05:51 PM
Eric_Shea   http://www.mcmaster.com/#ear-hose-clamps/=llyeki ...   Feb 23 2013, 06:43 PM
Eric_Shea   Paul, he bought complete cv/axle assemblies that h...   Feb 24 2013, 10:11 AM
PRS914-6   Paul, he bought complete cv/axle assemblies that ...   Feb 24 2013, 10:24 AM
tomeric914   Adding to an already great thread... Dimensions o...   Aug 21 2013, 08:52 PM
PRS914-6   Adding to an already great thread... Dimensions ...   Aug 22 2013, 09:27 PM
Harpo   Adding to an already great thread... Dimensions ...   Sep 29 2013, 02:53 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='tomeric914' post='1913079' date='Aug...   Nov 7 2014, 08:44 AM
chad newton   Ok, so what if you went with the newer style every...   Aug 22 2013, 08:06 PM
tomeric914   Ok, so what if you went with the newer style ever...   Aug 22 2013, 08:25 PM
chad newton   Ok, so what if you went with the newer style eve...   Aug 22 2013, 09:39 PM
PRS914-6   More comparison photos. You can clearly see the a...   Aug 22 2013, 09:18 PM
Eric_Shea   With a 915, be prepared to spend $4k+ convert...   Aug 23 2013, 04:33 AM
Mark Henry   For this you will need to get the 911-901 hubs, st...   Aug 23 2013, 08:03 AM
chad newton   You guys are awesome. Thanks again.   Aug 23 2013, 12:12 PM
tomeric914   BTW, I looked everywhere but couldn't find so ...   Aug 28 2013, 02:07 PM
tomeric914   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-12...   Sep 25 2013, 08:54 PM
SLITS   Clamps are used to keep hot grease from coming out...   Sep 26 2013, 07:26 AM
tomeric914   I have seen rebuilders us snap ties (aircraft tie...   Sep 29 2013, 10:51 AM
KTL   I've seen many racers use the simple plastic z...   Sep 29 2013, 10:02 AM
Mark Henry   I've seen many racers use the simple plastic ...   Sep 29 2013, 10:49 AM
KTL   I agree the CV grease/build job is a filthy one. ...   Sep 29 2013, 04:02 PM
PRS914-6   See my warning about this size issue above. Get t...   Sep 29 2013, 04:12 PM
Harpo   I will post over @ pelican and see what comes up ...   Sep 29 2013, 06:04 PM
naro914   I think this might be a winter project of mine...b...   Dec 13 2013, 01:42 PM
Eric_Shea   CV Gaskets? Pretty common for say... a 1970 911.   Dec 13 2013, 01:44 PM
Mark Henry   CV Gaskets? Pretty common for say... a 1970 911....   Dec 13 2013, 01:54 PM
KTL   Instead of machining the CV and using the gasket, ...   Dec 18 2013, 09:53 AM
naro914   so...got a question here... I took apart all my CV...   Jan 15 2014, 12:42 PM
Mark Henry   You're looking for the 1974 to mid-75 CV The s...   Jan 15 2014, 01:16 PM
naro914   According to PP, (and other suppliers) the 69-mid ...   Jan 15 2014, 01:36 PM
Mark Henry   Pull out a bolt and see if it has a point/tit on t...   Jan 15 2014, 01:51 PM
Mark Henry   Instead of machining the CV and using the gasket,...   Jan 15 2014, 02:03 PM
KTL   Instead of machining the CV and using the gasket...   Jan 15 2014, 03:09 PM
pcar916   ... Sealant in general is easy to do on the trans...   Jan 15 2014, 06:05 PM
KTL   ... Sealant in general is easy to do on the tran...   Jan 16 2014, 08:59 AM
Eric_Shea   Complete Axles: http://www.pmbperformance.com/cat...   Jan 15 2014, 02:15 PM
bulitt   Erc- what is your guess on the HP/torque rating of...   Jan 15 2014, 02:44 PM
naro914   Eric What is the difference between them and 911-3...   Jan 15 2014, 02:51 PM
Mark Henry   Eric What is the difference between them and 911-...   Jan 15 2014, 04:37 PM
naro914   Mark, will have to wait till the weekend when I ca...   Jan 15 2014, 05:11 PM
naro914   Mark Just re-read what I wrote and it sounded a bi...   Jan 15 2014, 07:01 PM
Mark Henry   Mark Just re-read what I wrote and it sounded a b...   Jan 15 2014, 11:22 PM
Eric_Shea   No, you can see the two pins sticking out clearl...   Jan 16 2014, 10:13 AM
Mark Henry   Ok some pics on thisfirst it's not just a ...   Jan 19 2014, 11:25 PM
Mark Henry   Difference in shaft lengths between the 1970 901 f...   Jan 19 2014, 11:27 PM
Mark Henry   This is the 1970 911/901 flange sitting in a 914-9...   Jan 19 2014, 11:31 PM
Mark Henry   This is the "sporto" (1969 901) flange s...   Jan 19 2014, 11:35 PM
Mark Henry   Oh.... and a bit of axle porn. :D Fully loaded a...   Jan 19 2014, 11:45 PM
Mark Henry   One question I have and I guess I should email Swa...   Jan 20 2014, 07:59 AM
Mark Henry   Yes the Swayaway axles are directional. Got an rep...   Jan 20 2014, 01:17 PM
horizontally-opposed   Yes the Swayaway axles are directional. Got an re...   Feb 15 2016, 12:03 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='1986193' date='Jan...   Feb 15 2016, 02:16 PM
Qarl   Mark, What did you end up using for an end-cap fo...   Apr 16 2014, 10:38 PM
Mark Henry   Mark, What did you end up using for an end-cap f...   Apr 18 2014, 08:49 AM
bdstone914   Read through this thread and understand the option...   Apr 17 2014, 06:25 PM
bdstone914   Read through this thread and understand the optio...   Apr 18 2014, 12:02 PM
76-914   :popcorn:   Apr 17 2014, 09:24 PM
get off my lawn   Huh uh huh uh, he said Schnorr.   Apr 18 2014, 03:41 AM
396   Great info! Thanks   Apr 18 2014, 08:53 AM
Larmo63   Eric, what would the cost be of these shipped to S...   Apr 18 2014, 09:12 AM
restore2seater   Mark, Paul, Eric or anyone able to verify this: I...   Feb 25 2015, 06:35 PM
Mark Henry   Mark, Paul, Eric or anyone able to verify this: ...   Feb 15 2016, 02:34 PM
tomeric914   Has anyone who has done this conversion had any is...   Feb 15 2016, 10:22 AM
jmill   Also, don't forget the 5mm spacer required fo...   Feb 15 2016, 11:54 AM
PRS914-6   The L or R is typically stamped on only one end. ...   Feb 15 2016, 03:22 PM
Mark Henry   My exact C&P email conversation with Eric Ande...   Feb 15 2016, 03:44 PM
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