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| kenshapiro2002 |
 Nov 12 2009, 02:15 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
So, they were used to support the weight of the car when it was "airborne".
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 12 2009, 03:07 PM)  QUOTE(Spoke @ Nov 12 2009, 11:56 AM) About the triangles, are they structural or protective? Mine is off right now as I finish up the same repairs as Ken. I was debating about putting a triangle back on. What is the purpose of the triangle? As always, the search is your friend ... http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=63834 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 12 2009, 02:47 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,707 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 12 2009, 12:15 PM) So, they were used to support the weight of the car when it was "airborne". Correct. Cars not fully assembled yet, load spread equally between all 4 corners. If you think buckled floor-pans look hot, go ahead and use them as "jacking doughnuts" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 12 2009, 03:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Already been doing that and the right rear one is pretty shot (but it was rusty already). Never buckled the floor though...don't think the rear ones are connected, are they? Anyway, anal retentive person that I am, gotta replace it with a triangle that has a doughnut...something about symmetry.
How do you feel about the pieces folks sell that fit into the jacking points and allow you to use a floor jack with them? QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 12 2009, 03:47 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 12 2009, 12:15 PM) So, they were used to support the weight of the car when it was "airborne". Correct. Cars not fully assembled yet, load spread equally between all 4 corners. If you think buckled floor-pans look hot, go ahead and use them as "jacking doughnuts" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 12 2009, 05:32 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,707 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:35 PM) How do you feel about the pieces folks sell that fit into the jacking points and allow you to use a floor jack with them? I use them all the time. Works great. As long as your original jack posts are solid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| crash914 |
Nov 12 2009, 05:57 PM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Ken, you can always swing by and see the triangles that I replaced on my car, the rockers are removed and there is full access...you can even use my welder if you want....
not a hard repair. I have a sheet of metal ready to bent to shape if you want to patch...herb |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 12 2009, 07:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Herb...I really appreciate that, but me using your welder would be like me letting the five year old next door use my Harley. I have never welded. I'd love to learn though. In fact, if anybody in the Bawlmer area is doing anything "heavy" like rebuilding a tranny or engine...welding...I'd love to spectate.
I'm going to order a triangle (wish Chris' had dunkin donuts on them) and let my buddy Lawrence weld them in along with a patch for the floor area between the firewall walls next to that area. I wanna get this done before I put the fuel lines back in for obvious reasons. I assume it's not a good idea to weld back there with fuel lines in. QUOTE(crash914 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:57 PM) Ken, you can always swing by and see the triangles that I replaced on my car, the rockers are removed and there is full access...you can even use my welder if you want.... not a hard repair. I have a sheet of metal ready to bent to shape if you want to patch...herb |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 09:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
What do think would be a reasonable range of fee for a welder to make a house call and weld in the triangle and patch the bottom of the firewall with some steel? Just a range...low/high.
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 11:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Oh man...bought a 4 1/2" Ryobi Angle Grinder...what a blast! I could get carried away here and reduce my car to HO scale! I need a really rusty 914 (any of them around) and an education in welding. Cleaned up my "soft spot" and did the POR 15 inside the area. Just gotta find me a triangle with doughnut. PP no lonnger carries them, saying that RD is just to hard to do business with. They gave me the number there as well as Stoddards. We'll see. MIght have to go with Chris Foley's "No Doughnut" one.
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 11:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Got one (AA was down to only 180 in stock). On the road to recovery.
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| SirAndy |
Nov 13 2009, 12:34 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,707 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:49 AM) Got one (AA was down to only 180 in stock). On the road to recovery. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) |
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| VaccaRabite |
Nov 13 2009, 06:32 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,475 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I am usually off the Friday after Turkey Day.
IF I can find a baby sitter for my toddler and Evil ain't coming down to work on the bus, I can throw the welder in the car and swing down. Zach |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 06:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If I can wait that long, I'll let you know...what a great offer.
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Nov 13 2009, 07:32 PM) I am usually off the Friday after Turkey Day. IF I can find a baby sitter for my toddler and Evil ain't coming down to work on the bus, I can throw the welder in the car and swing down. Zach |
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| OU8AVW |
Nov 13 2009, 06:59 PM
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Yacht Rigger Group: Members Posts: 1,803 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 9,601 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Keep me posted you guys. I would be hip to getting some pointers on the welding too. I can bring a 6 pack (Sierra Porter ok?)
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| ChrisFoley |
Nov 13 2009, 09:03 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,937 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None 
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I'm sure glad you found one in stock at AA with a donut Ken.
It looks like your car has a perfectly good donut that could have been re-used though. Ours have holes pre-punched for plug welding onto the chassis, even where the donut goes - same places the factory welded them. The donut should be welded on after the triangle is installed. BTW, my price includes shipping. Since Sir Andy's assembly line exposee thread proves the donuts are there to support the car it makes perfect sense to use them as jackstand locations. Hence the nickname "jacking donut". The rears especially are plenty strong to support the car, at least when the metal is healthy. There are two problems using the rear donuts to lift the car with a floor jack: it twists the chassis, and you can't put a jackstand there when a floor jack is already there. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 09:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Nov 13 2009, 10:03 PM) I'm sure glad you found one in stock at AA with a donut Ken. It looks like your car has a perfectly good donut that could have been re-used though. Ours have holes pre-punched for plug welding onto the chassis, even where the donut goes - same places the factory welded them. The donut should be welded on after the triangle is installed. BTW, my price includes shipping. Since Sir Andy's assembly line exposee thread proves the donuts are there to support the car it makes perfect sense to use them as jackstand locations. Hence the nickname "jacking donut". The rears especially are plenty strong to support the car, at least when the metal is healthy. There are two problems using the rear donuts to lift the car with a floor jack: it twists the chassis, and you can't put a jackstand there when a floor jack is already there. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 09:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I concur. I've been jacking using either the tail end of the engine or the engine support bar. Zat kosher?
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Nov 13 2009, 10:03 PM) I'm sure glad you found one in stock at AA with a donut Ken. It looks like your car has a perfectly good donut that could have been re-used though. Ours have holes pre-punched for plug welding onto the chassis, even where the donut goes - same places the factory welded them. The donut should be welded on after the triangle is installed. BTW, my price includes shipping. Since Sir Andy's assembly line exposee thread proves the donuts are there to support the car it makes perfect sense to use them as jackstand locations. Hence the nickname "jacking donut". The rears especially are plenty strong to support the car, at least when the metal is healthy. There are two problems using the rear donuts to lift the car with a floor jack: it twists the chassis, and you can't put a jackstand there when a floor jack is already there. |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 13 2009, 09:56 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,707 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:51 PM) I concur. I've been jacking using either the tail end of the engine or the engine support bar. Zat kosher? No on the engine jacking, yes on the mount bar if you have a side-shifter. Using the engine will destroy your rubber engine mounts. Same goes for the mount bar on a tail-shifter car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 13 2009, 10:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Mine has been converted to a side shifter, so I'll stick to the mount bar.
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 13 2009, 10:56 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:51 PM) I concur. I've been jacking using either the tail end of the engine or the engine support bar. Zat kosher? No on the engine jacking, yes on the mount bar if you have a side-shifter. Using the engine will destroy your rubber engine mounts. Same goes for the mount bar on a tail-shifter car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Nov 17 2009, 11:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Well...almost ready for welding. The section labeled "A" (bottom between firewall dual walls), has been painted with POR15 on what was just surface rust. Section "B" hasn'r been dealt with inside yet. The second shot, in case there are other "newbies" looking in show where the triangle will go. I didn't realize at first how insignificant and unstructural the actual triangle is relative to the surrounding and attached "meat" of the unibody.
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| strawman |
Nov 18 2009, 01:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 25-January 08 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 8,624 Region Association: Central California
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Hi Ken,
I'm not sure that I agree that the triangle is unsubstantial. I've had to make extensive repairs to my car in that area, and I believe that the triangle ties in the long & firewall. I'm not an engineer, but I triangulation is your friend from a structural standpoint... Geoff |
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