The Few, the rare......, As delivered, no resto, no repaint - show 'em! Options

[scotty b]

SOMEBODY with the knowhow really needs to make a quality book on this car. We all have, or have seen, the books on restoring your Porsche ( 356,911,914 ) but none of these ever go into the REAL details that came on the cars originally. I.E. the square stickers, the green " paint " marks on the wheels,the grease on the tops of shock towers, the engine tin stampings, the suspension stampings, the correct plating on each metal part ( I was unaware that the front turn signal brakets were anything other than a gold cad plating until now ) Steve's car is a true time capsule and a high quality photo documented restoration manual using this car is a necessity !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

BTW. Isn't Al's ( Johnny Blackstain ) LE an all original car ? Or has it been repainted ?

[tod914]

I aggee Scotty. Nice documentation of several cars of this caliber to cover certain years. Dave's 76 would be a perfect compliment, as well as Jame's 914-6. With all this info on this site, and data collected from people like Jeff Bowsby, it would be an invaluable resource to have inside one cover.

[Tom_T]

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[Pat Garvey]

I aggee Scotty. Nice documentation of several cars of this caliber to cover certain years. Dave's 76 would be a perfect compliment, as well as Jame's 914-6. With all this info on this site, and data collected from people like Jeff Bowsby, it would be an invaluable resource to have inside one cover.

Yeah Tod,
Sorta goes back to someone's post some time ago, that the originality features of as many 914's as can be put together needs to be in some sort of "annual" album, irrespective of, and inclusive of, the nuances of each.

Regrettably, the nailed threads that I started haven't worked to that end.

What we need is help documenting all 914's by years, with every vagary and nuance that can be supported. Of course, the early years would be most difficult.

And, I agree with Scotty. There are so many little things that make a 914 "proper" for it's year. Somehow, we need to gather these nuances into something useful for the restorers.

Any considerations?
Pat

[MDG]

I agree with the 'permanent record' notion. It's what I hoped this thread was going to be but . . . .

How about this. Making 'The Few, the rare' a locked documentation thread only. No extraneous comments, anecdotes etc. Steve's posts just like they are without all the extra posts by other members. When Steve has more to add, or when Dave and James (and hopefully others) are ready to post, the Mod unlocks the thread for them.

That way we have a single thread of originality for reference without having to scroll through pages of opinions. We can all makes comments, ask questions etc. in the main posting forum below.

One-offs can be added too; a member posts something worthy - a perfect, original example of some widget not yet covered - the Mod can add this to the locked thread. Kind of like the "I nominate this for the Classics" we have in the garage.

The key to any good book is editing.

just an idea

[tod914]

Michael, exactly, a cliff notes version of these threads with just the facts and a standardized outline for each. Alot of work for sure. Pat you are doing a fantastic job. Alot of this info would of remained undercovers without your dedication towards our cars.

[Tom_T]

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[MDG]

That way we have a single thread of originality for reference without having to scroll through pages of opinions. We can all makes comments, ask questions etc. in the main posting forum below.

As I suggested.

No questions, comments, stories of the good old days, anecdotes about how 'my car actually had' . . . etc., etc., . . . ad nauseum . . . get posted to The Few and the Rare thread. Steve, Dave, James et al will see the same questions and answer them if they go into the main forum - a PM would work too. I would anticipate those threads would become some of the most viewed. This leaves The Few and the Rare for reference only with comments by the owners themselves and free of open discussions like this very one.

m.

[tod914]

How about 2 nailed threads for the same topic. One which documents the car, and another for responces & comments directly under it?

[Tom_T]

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[Pat Garvey]

Before we continue to take thid thread to places that weren't meant for thid thread (like we haven't already), let's stop the posts for our wishes and take them to the main Orig forum.

I ask that further comments concerning nailed originality threads be taken to the thread that I'll start tonight for that purpose.

In this current thread, we have the foundation for something special - let's leave it alone, except for comments pertinent to Steve's car. Other cars "may" have there own threads, but let's discuss that in the open, OK?
Pat

For now, please leave this thread isolated to Steve's 914.

[Tom_T]

No longer concours but here are some photos of the trans area showing the original heat exchangers and the original Boge shocks.

QUESTIONS ON: Sahara's OE Shocks & Brakes:
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Steve, I thought that Boge shocks ® & front strut housings were black?? ... yours are grey or silver?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

... & where is the R caliper brake dust cover? - is it just out of the pic in front of the frame?? ... is it black or CAD plated (per comments on that part in the parts bin)

I don't know why it didn't include the pix on the quote above, but this was on pg. 3 of the thread I think.

Please clarify - Thanx

[Tom_T]

Thanks to everyone that expressed positive comments. I'm not sure where to stop. I will add more photos and details but I don't want to hold up Dave C. from getting started with his car.

Mike, the original owner handed me a box that contained the original factory mirrors. For some reason, he didn't like the way they looked. I can't tell you how happy I was to find that Charles was smart enough to use the original factory holes to install the Vitaloni Tornado Mirrors. All I had to do was just unscrew the Vitaloni's and install the originals. I sold the Vitaloni's on ebay to a Ferrari guy for quite a bit of money.

For some reason my camera is beginning to screw up. This has been happening a lot lately. Some photos come out unrecognizable, all blurred.

A few photos of the engine compartment. Please keep in mind that I haven't cleaned these areas since the 2003 Parade. Note the factory original "RED" vacuum hoses. I soaked/washed them in wool-lite in the kitchen sink (don't tell my wife) and they turned out looking like new. Also note the original valve adjustment sticker on the left front of the engine tin and the original factory emission stickers on the left side of the body and the correct yellow tape on the voltage regulator.

Again, no pix in quote, but also on pg. 3 of thread ...

Important note on the OE satin grey (greenish/blueish grey) on Sahara's 2.0 EFI Runners are the original & correct colors ....

... unless Steve touched them up?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Please confirm OE color, as this subject came up before on another O&H post.

[Pat Garvey]

No longer concours but here are some photos of the trans area showing the original heat exchangers and the original Boge shocks.

QUESTIONS ON: Sahara's OE Shocks & Brakes:
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Steve, I thought that Boge shocks ® & front strut housings were black?? ... yours are grey or silver?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

... & where is the R caliper brake dust cover? - is it just out of the pic in front of the frame?? ... is it black or CAD plated (per comments on that part in the parts bin)

I don't know why it didn't include the pix on the quote above, but this was on pg. 3 of the thread I think.

Please clarify - Thanx

Tom,

There were some early sixes that had "cad" plated dust covers (and only sixes). All the rest were satin black finished......to my knowledge. Anyone feel free to correct me, but that's my understanding.
Pat

[smg914]

Tom,

In answer to your questions:

The grey shocks on the Sahara Beige car are the original shocks that were on the car when it was new. So it can be documented that 914's were delivered with grey painted Boge's in 1973. My friend Ray that owns an original low mileage LE, the rear shocks on his car are also original grey Boge's. In my opinion, 914's at least up through 1974 were delivered with grey Boge's. Years later, the replacement Boge's were black or orange.

All 4 brake dust covers (front and rear) are on the car. The angle of the photo on page 3 doesn't really show the cover although if you look closely, you can see a small piece of the right rear cover. Oh and Pat is correct; they are all painted black from the factory on 914-4s.

On the intake runners, the shade of grey in the photo isn't exactly the way it looks in person. My camera seems to play tricks with colors. They show their age a little but in person they look similar to a satin grey look (not a greenish/blueish grey).

The Sahara Beige car is currently tucked away in my garage with the cover on it waiting on its next scheduled exercise. I won't be able to take anymore photos until the next time I drive it which will be sometime before January 25th.

[Tom_T]

Tom,

In answer to your questions:

The grey shocks on the Sahara Beige car are the original shocks that were on the car when it was new. So it can be documented that 914's were delivered with grey painted Boge's in 1973. My friend Ray that owns an original low mileage LE, the rear shocks on his car are also original grey Boge's. In my opinion, 914's at least up through 1974 were delivered with grey Boge's. Years later, the replacement Boge's were black or orange.

All 4 brake dust covers (front and rear) are on the car. The angle of the photo on page 3 doesn't really show the cover although if you look closely, you can see a small piece of the right rear cover. Oh and Pat is correct; they are all painted black from the factory on 914-4s.

On the intake runners, the shade of grey in the photo isn't exactly the way it looks in person. My camera seems to play tricks with colors. They show their age a little but in person they look similar to a satin grey look (not a greenish/blueish grey).

The Sahara Beige car is currently tucked away in my garage with the cover on it waiting on its next scheduled exercise. I won't be able to take anymore photos until the next time I drive it which will be sometime before January 25th.

Thanx for clarifying Steve. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

For others out there, 73 914's did also come with black Boge front strut housings at least, since my early-73 914-2.0 4732901954 built 8/72 still has them, but I can't recall if the rear Boge shocks were black or grey, as I replaced them with Koni reds back in 80-83.

I think the EFI Runners' color from the R/passenger/battery side of the 2 pix shows the color pretty correctly, & I thought that yours were ever refinished (glad to know some grey cells still work).

[Tom_T]

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[smg914]

Now that is funny. (I got your PM Tom).

The 914-6 that I owned for 28 years and sold after I purchased the M471 car was never driven in the rain or rained on for the entire 28 years I owned it. By the way, I put 20,000 miles on the car during that period. Who said I never drive my cars?

[Tom_T]

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[smg914]

I took it out for an exercise on the 19th and I took a few photos. I crawled under the car and took a few shots but to be honest with you I wasn't too impressed with the photos. First of all, I really need to do some cleaning under there. Like I've said before, I haven't cleaned this car since the 2003 Parade. It's amazing how dirty/dusty everything gets just from the road and it all shows up with the camera flash.

Here is an example of the dusty engine sheet metal showing the original painted on number code. First photo is of the driver's side and the second photo is of the passenger side which shows the dealer cut out for the AC compressor belt.