 Questions for a 3.0, #1 is adapting to a 901, What can I keep, what do I need? what else? |
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| Dr Evil |
 Dec 30 2009, 12:39 PM
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Send me your transmission!  Group: Members Posts: 23,034 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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I agree with your logic. If the 3 CIS doesnt pass the leak down, you may be able to get it for less and redo the top end and save some $$, too.
Still got them rectal horseshoes I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| J P Stein |
Dec 30 2009, 04:14 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
A cool running engine is a long running engine. The 2.7L 911s came with no aux cooler and we all know how they held up. The 3.0L had a "trombone" aux cooler and they had few problems with heat......but a lot of guys sweated blood watching the temp gauge rise while stuck in traffic. Aux coolers are kinda like a seat belt....you don't need it till ya *need* it.
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 30 2009, 05:20 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
JP you're such a buzz kill (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)
Man.... there has to be a way of doing a front cooler without cutting the shit out of the front end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) What about the trombone cooler...it's just bent tubing, couldn't I do a bigger loop or loops? QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Dec 30 2009, 01:39 PM)  I agree with your logic. If the 3 CIS doesnt pass the leak down, you may be able to get it for less and redo the top end and save some $$, too. Still got them rectal horseshoes I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I don't know about the horseshoes....I didn't have a 3.0 given to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I did say if the numbers are not great we'll have to talk. I don't know if the topend would be cheap even with me doing the labour. My guess would be around 2K done right, plus the price of the "core". |
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| TravisNeff |
Dec 30 2009, 05:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region
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You can always do the cooler under the rear trunk.
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| rfuerst911sc |
Dec 30 2009, 05:51 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
[quote name='Mark Henry' date='Dec 30 2009, 03:20 PM' post='1256535']
JP you're such a buzz kill (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) Man.... there has to be a way of doing a front cooler without cutting the shit out of the front end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Mark I had the same concern and here is what I did. Yes I had to cut the valance ( not finished yet ) but on the tub I just had to drill four holes. It's not for everyone but I like it. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=100692&hl= |
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| J P Stein |
Dec 30 2009, 06:08 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 30 2009, 03:20 PM) It's a dirty job, but I ain't running for office. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) There are any number of things that may work....most of which I have considered. One was under the rockers (with suitable cooling holes cut into them) and some of that finned bronze pipe...up one side & down the other. Various mounting points toward the rear....but I needed the cooling for my hot rod motor...no maybes to waste time on. My cooler ended up in the nose where I *knew* it would get the most available air flow. The engine seldom gets over 100C under all conditions.....and, it lives. OK, so I'm overly picky about some things, but cool is cool....the hell with some mostly hidden sheet metal. I wasn't making the car out to be an investment I was building a hot rod...like you are. Still got $20K for it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 31 2009, 12:37 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Damn...just got offered another engine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
79 3.0SC, us spec, guy says it ran fine but doesn't know the history before him. He said he moved up to a 3.2 (now his backup) and he now has a 3.6. He's been using it as his mock-up engine, but doesn't need 3 engines. Waiting for his asking price. Big port heads. All studs are perfect on the intake and exhaust. local. 10 fins, so low cr alusil jugs What's this worth? Attached thumbnail(s)  Attached image(s) 
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| rfuerst911sc |
Dec 31 2009, 05:50 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
As a point of reference I purchased a 1978 3.0 with complete exhaust but no intake system for $3000.00. It was a clean good running motor with aprox. 96,000 miles on it. From the picture this engine may have had an EFI system on it ? I see the Clewett bottom pulley with a 36-1 wheel and what looks to be a optic pickup to the left?
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 31 2009, 07:56 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Wish I could find a sub 100K mile engine for $3000. Anyone got one to sell for that price? I'll even ship it across the border.
It's never ran with this set-up, but both his 3.2 and 3.6 run crankfire. It's his mock up engine or he said you could also call it his #3 backup engine. My concern is the unknown milage and alusils. On something like this I would like to one day hop it up a bit with a top end job and JE's, so these jugs would be NG. To me it's a core, but he didn't like that point and I had to smooth the talk back to positive. Waiting to see what his price is. Might know tonight. See Evil, no horseshoes |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Dec 31 2009, 08:51 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 31 2009, 05:56 AM) Wish I could find a sub 100K mile engine for $3000. Anyone got one to sell for that price? I'll even ship it across the border. It's never ran with this set-up, but both his 3.2 and 3.6 run crankfire. It's his mock up engine or he said you could also call it his #3 backup engine. My concern is the unknown milage and alusils. On something like this I would like to one day hop it up a bit with a top end job and JE's, so these jugs would be NG. To me it's a core, but he didn't like that point and I had to smooth the talk back to positive. Waiting to see what his price is. Might know tonight. See Evil, no horseshoes Can someone like EBS or LN Engineering take alusil cylinders and turn them into nickies ? Seems to me I read that they can but not sure or if it's cost effective. I searched many forums to find my 3.0 and I had to drive to North Carolina to pick it up. Deals are out there you have to keep looking and I guess have some luck. Good luck with your search. |
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 31 2009, 09:48 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(rfuerst911sc @ Dec 31 2009, 09:51 AM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 31 2009, 05:56 AM) Wish I could find a sub 100K mile engine for $3000. Anyone got one to sell for that price? I'll even ship it across the border. It's never ran with this set-up, but both his 3.2 and 3.6 run crankfire. It's his mock up engine or he said you could also call it his #3 backup engine. My concern is the unknown milage and alusils. On something like this I would like to one day hop it up a bit with a top end job and JE's, so these jugs would be NG. To me it's a core, but he didn't like that point and I had to smooth the talk back to positive. Waiting to see what his price is. Might know tonight. See Evil, no horseshoes Can someone like EBS or LN Engineering take alusil cylinders and turn them into nickies ? Seems to me I read that they can but not sure or if it's cost effective. I searched many forums to find my 3.0 and I had to drive to North Carolina to pick it up. Deals are out there you have to keep looking and I guess have some luck. Good luck with your search. They do but I think it would be more cost effective to find a good used set and get JE's made. Don't know for sure on price of this. |
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| brp986s |
Dec 31 2009, 10:01 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 434 Joined: 27-September 07 From: los angeles Member No.: 8,167 |
I just sold a set of core alusils to EBS. They probably have to grind off the alusil before putting on nikasil and this increases costs, but I think they reallocate costs so that by the time they go up for sale it doesn't matter what they once were.
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| J P Stein |
Dec 31 2009, 10:11 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 31 2009, 05:56 AM) To me it's a core, but he didn't like that point and I had to smooth the talk back to positive. Waiting to see what his price is. Might know tonight. Of course he didn't like it, but informed people know that to be a fact......if you can't see & hear it run, it's a core. Speaking of buzz killers, you fit the mold. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) EBS does Nikasil plating for 150 bucks per cylinder if you supply cores...including Alusils, I'm told....another 100 bucks ea if you have no cores. I've never had it done but was looking into it at one point. I've heard of a couple problems with the plating but they were fixed expeditiously. I did have them do my heads and they done gud. JEs are 1k per set last I looked.....but tell em' you want Gotze rings. I ruint a set of cyls with them effin' Deves style. $3K is a good price. |
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| sixaddict |
Dec 31 2009, 10:26 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 869 Joined: 22-January 09 From: Panama City Beach, FL Member No.: 9,961 Region Association: South East States
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My experince is 3. litre (or 2.7 ) on track needs front cooler. I tried not cutting but finally said six makes it non stock anyway. Difference is amazing and as you know heat is the enemy !
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| J P Stein |
Dec 31 2009, 10:56 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(brp986s @ Dec 31 2009, 08:01 AM) I just sold a set of core alusils to EBS. They probably have to grind off the alusil before putting on nikasil and this increases costs, but I think they reallocate costs so that by the time they go up for sale it doesn't matter what they once were. You can't "Grind off" Alusil. It is the base material. I assume they bore all the jugs to insure cylindricity before plating, then hone to size. They earn their money making these things. I have a set of boogered up 90mm NIkasil jugs settin' on the shelf that I was thinking of selling to em' but, once gone......damn, I gotta get over thinkin' like that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) If "the kid " had of gotten all my spares, he would have them on his shelf. Can't complain, I guess, I made a couple grand selling off stuff left over. Prolly time to off the jugs too. Any one need some heat cycled out Hoosier cantis? I gots 6 of em'.....free for shipping. |
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 31 2009, 12:04 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(sixaddict @ Dec 31 2009, 11:26 AM) My experince is 3. litre (or 2.7 ) on track needs front cooler. I tried not cutting but finally said six makes it non stock anyway. Difference is amazing and as you know heat is the enemy ! Not a track car! "Maybe" one day I'll do a DE maybe even an AX but I never have before. I like hot motors that are streetable, you know pulls like a truck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) We'll see his price, but if I have to plate and buy JE's and he wants to much, I'm back to the price of the other hotrod engine. Unless he'll guarantee it runs and has no stud issues....and just run it for now. |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Dec 31 2009, 01:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
No affiliation but just came across this on Pelican.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...sassembled.html |
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| J P Stein |
Dec 31 2009, 02:23 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Well, there ya go.
Tack on a rebuild kit.....bout 900 bucks Henry's studs.....700 ish..... and you're good to go. I'd rather have a torn down engine than an assembled one that may hold surprises inside. 84targa has been around Pelican for a long time, long enuff to know not peddle junk. I've been around there long enuff to jump quickly on a good deal or it will disappear. At the very least, be first in line by typing the magic words. |
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| Justinp71 |
Dec 31 2009, 08:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,606 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 2,922 Region Association: None
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I bought a '81 complete core 3.0 with a good bottom end, re-used the alusil cylinders, re-built the topend. Put DC19 camshafts (about max cam you can put with cis pistons, http://drcamshafts.com ), 40mm webbers, headers and a M&K muffler. I totally love this setup.
I was on the track with a mostly stock 80 911. Got in the straight side by side and totally blew his doors off!!! He was totally suprised. I also second the kennedy setup... Also dont forget the holes for the front of your oil cooler are already in your car.... (atleast for 70~74 I think) Those are the little round holes in front. |
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| Mark Henry |
Dec 31 2009, 09:41 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Dec 31 2009, 03:23 PM) Well, there ya go. Tack on a rebuild kit.....bout 900 bucks Henry's studs.....700 ish..... and you're good to go. I'd rather have a torn down engine than an assembled one that may hold surprises inside. 84targa has been around Pelican for a long time, long enuff to know not peddle junk. I've been around there long enuff to jump quickly on a good deal or it will disappear. At the very least, be first in line by typing the magic words. Are you talking about my engine? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Get this.... the thread is back to square one.... it needs a a flywheel ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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