My chassis twisted hardcore Options

[turnaround89]

I braced the chassis, but obviously not enough. I lined the doors up properly, had the gaps correct, and then put the braces in. I took the braces out today, and went to test fit the passenger door and it won't even come close to shutting. the door lock does not line up, i tried adjusting the hinges but had no luck. The things are way off....any one have a fix? I really don't want to buy a tub because i just put a ton of work into this one. If it comes down to buying a tub, i guess thats what ill have to do, but i really would like to avoid that.

[Katmanken]

Wouldn't do it.

They are designed for adhering non-structural body parts. They require really clean non-rusty metals, our are cars are old and rusty, and the rust never sleeps.

I can guarantee that if a rust bubble forms under a glue joint that the pressure from the growing rust cell is so large that it will delaminate the joint. Might take time, but a structural use would fail just when you don't want it- ie under a cornering load.

There are stuctual aircraft adhesives, but they work on clean aluminum.

[Rod]

I can't offer help as I haven't been here, But I feel for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) With the advise and expertise here I'm sure you'll get it sorted though..

Cut those slits cut..

[turnaround89]

So the windshield frame has come back towards the targa bar, which would explain why the pasenger door hangs low at the back. the measurement is about 1/8" off on each side. Right now i am trying to locate someone around illinois that has a frame rack and seeing what they can do. I don't want to cut anything until i get that opinion. I have ideas on how to fix it, however, to have a professional get the car dead straight is what i would rather have then me trying to pull this off. Anyone know of a place that can straighten out the frame?

At first i didn't think you could straighten a unibody car on a frame rack, but apparently its possible...just gotta find someone that can do it for me or give me their opinion.

[Dave_Darling]

Brad Mayeur at 914 Limited should have some idea of where you can find a rack for the car.

--DD

[rick 918-S]

Brad Mayeur at 914 Limited should have some idea of where you can find a rack for the car.

--DD

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I used to have a Cellette. That would be the best way.

[turnaround89]

I have no problems towing the car to have it fixed, if i have to tow it 4 hours somewhere, i am fine with that. as long as it gets done correctly. The thing i don't understand is, since the car bowed into itself, how does a machine fix that?

[Eric_Shea]

Very powerful hydraulics. You may still need to make some cuts as recommended.

Andy can give you a very thorough explaination. His car was tweeked and "then" a cage was welded in. When he decided to have it fixed, the cutting of the cage "really" told the story of how far out they can be and what can be done to fix them properly. There's a picture here somewhere of that cut and a detailed thread on that fix.

Search (cause I'm to lazy to do it for you). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Eric_Shea]

Also, that window frame doesn't really do "jack" for measurement purposes. I can bent one of those easily by hand. You'll get a bunch of various windshield frame measurements here that are probably 1/4" off. There "is" a standard top frame measurement BUT, get the proper jam measurements first and then worry about the frame.

Hit that link I sent you and get door frame measurements as Rick suggested.

[gopack]

I just did a Google search for "celette bench shop" and one of the first hits was this one.

celette bench

From that web site:



Looks like the best posible place to start! Even has 914 content and I didn't even include that in the search criteria!

P.S. i am just up the road from you in Madison (for now). If you ever need a hand (I'm not that useful) with a project taht requires more than 2 hands, give me a PM throught the site!

[jcambo7]

I just did a Google search for "celette bench shop" and one of the first hits was this one.

celette bench

From that web site:



Looks like the best posible place to start! Even has 914 content and I didn't even include that in the search criteria!

P.S. i am just up the road from you in Madison (for now). If you ever need a hand (I'm not that useful) with a project taht requires more than 2 hands, give me a PM throught the site!

Thats cool! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[rick 918-S]

I just did a Google search for "celette bench shop" and one of the first hits was this one.

celette bench

From that web site:



Looks like the best posible place to start! Even has 914 content and I didn't even include that in the search criteria!

P.S. i am just up the road from you in Madison (for now). If you ever need a hand (I'm not that useful) with a project taht requires more than 2 hands, give me a PM throught the site!

That link is awsome! Read the post on the page. A Cellette rep posted is number and states he is in Lombard IL. About 75 miles from Rockford. Call him. He will know where the Cellette shops are.

[turnaround89]

What makes the celette better than othe racks? Also, is there anything that will need to be removed from the car, bumpers, suspension, etc? Id like to take the car there as a rolling chassis that way its easier to get it on the trailor. the pictures show the car as just a shell, i was hoping i could leave the suspension on.

[rick 918-S]

What makes the celette better than othe racks? Also, is there anything that will need to be removed from the car, bumpers, suspension, etc? Id like to take the car there as a rolling chassis that way its easier to get it on the trailor. the pictures show the car as just a shell, i was hoping i could leave the suspension on.

The Cellette is a fixture type bench. The one in the photos does not show the fixtures. They are using a lazer to check the car. It seems as though the Cellette rep was offering the shop the option of renting the proper fixtures.

I'm kind of under the impression the shop in that link is selling their service as a Porsche repair shop and showing the Cellette bench but doesn't rent the fixtures when they do chassis work.

Here is a link to Sir Andy's severly bent chassis. This was repaired on a Cellette with proper fixtures. I don't know what it cost him but this is how you fix a 914. Yes you will need to drop the suspension for the fixtures.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...c=92489&st=

[SirAndy]

Lots more pix ...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=52631

You can rent the 914 specific fixtures for the celette bench. However, there's only two or 3 distribution centers left in the whole US that still have them.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) Andy

[Jeff Hail]

The shop in the photos is Ed Palmer's. Aka EPR (Ed Palmer Racing) Eddy is first rate. He opened a second shop dedicated to Porsche only. I would recommend him in a heartbeat. How many shops have two 917's in process other than Gunnar?

The vehicle is setup on the Cellette in preparation for correction. The Genesis laser measuring system is accurate to 1mm. The Cellette hard fixtures are accurate to 3mm. Between the two systems you are going to get as perfect as can be. If perfect existed I'd date it!

A little history here: Ed has been doing this as long as I have. Excluding the marital issues Ed eats , breathes and nightmares Porsches. Ed has produced some of wildest German monsters that any other shop can come up with. Ed has also produced some of the most perfect restorations I have seen.

Funny thing. My car was given to me by Tony Davis who worked for Ed for many years. Both go back to pre Mitcom days. Yes thats how long both have been in the business. I feel ancient now!

Very few shops own their own fixtures. Most rent them from Eurocar. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

[turnaround89]

Sir andy - if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to have the car puton the rack and be aligned?

[SirAndy]

Sir andy - if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to have the car puton the rack and be aligned?

Well, that's hard to say.

I did two cars at once. The red car took one day, the black/yellow car took 3 days.

For both cars and 4 full days of labor plus renting the Celette fixtures, my total bill was somewhere around $3000, if i recall correctly ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[turnaround89]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

[SirAndy]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

In my case, Scott the owner of the body shop has lots of experience working on 914s (He owns two).

The way it works is that the body shop owns the Celette bench and they rent the fixtures from Celette whenever they need them. The shop took care of all that.
Getting the fixtures took a few days as there's only one Celette distributor left here on the west coast that still has the 914 fixtures.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy

[rick 918-S]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

I'd just call this guy. I'm sure he can tell you which shop in your area can bench your car.

Greg Fritz

Sales and Technical Support

630-396-6100 ext 6170 Office
630-495-4078 Fax

www.celette-na.com