My chassis twisted hardcore Options

[rick 918-S]

I just did a Google search for "celette bench shop" and one of the first hits was this one.

celette bench

From that web site:



Looks like the best posible place to start! Even has 914 content and I didn't even include that in the search criteria!

P.S. i am just up the road from you in Madison (for now). If you ever need a hand (I'm not that useful) with a project taht requires more than 2 hands, give me a PM throught the site!

That link is awsome! Read the post on the page. A Cellette rep posted is number and states he is in Lombard IL. About 75 miles from Rockford. Call him. He will know where the Cellette shops are.

[turnaround89]

What makes the celette better than othe racks? Also, is there anything that will need to be removed from the car, bumpers, suspension, etc? Id like to take the car there as a rolling chassis that way its easier to get it on the trailor. the pictures show the car as just a shell, i was hoping i could leave the suspension on.

[rick 918-S]

What makes the celette better than othe racks? Also, is there anything that will need to be removed from the car, bumpers, suspension, etc? Id like to take the car there as a rolling chassis that way its easier to get it on the trailor. the pictures show the car as just a shell, i was hoping i could leave the suspension on.

The Cellette is a fixture type bench. The one in the photos does not show the fixtures. They are using a lazer to check the car. It seems as though the Cellette rep was offering the shop the option of renting the proper fixtures.

I'm kind of under the impression the shop in that link is selling their service as a Porsche repair shop and showing the Cellette bench but doesn't rent the fixtures when they do chassis work.

Here is a link to Sir Andy's severly bent chassis. This was repaired on a Cellette with proper fixtures. I don't know what it cost him but this is how you fix a 914. Yes you will need to drop the suspension for the fixtures.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...c=92489&st=

[SirAndy]

Lots more pix ...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=52631

You can rent the 914 specific fixtures for the celette bench. However, there's only two or 3 distribution centers left in the whole US that still have them.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) Andy

[Jeff Hail]

The shop in the photos is Ed Palmer's. Aka EPR (Ed Palmer Racing) Eddy is first rate. He opened a second shop dedicated to Porsche only. I would recommend him in a heartbeat. How many shops have two 917's in process other than Gunnar?

The vehicle is setup on the Cellette in preparation for correction. The Genesis laser measuring system is accurate to 1mm. The Cellette hard fixtures are accurate to 3mm. Between the two systems you are going to get as perfect as can be. If perfect existed I'd date it!

A little history here: Ed has been doing this as long as I have. Excluding the marital issues Ed eats , breathes and nightmares Porsches. Ed has produced some of wildest German monsters that any other shop can come up with. Ed has also produced some of the most perfect restorations I have seen.

Funny thing. My car was given to me by Tony Davis who worked for Ed for many years. Both go back to pre Mitcom days. Yes thats how long both have been in the business. I feel ancient now!

Very few shops own their own fixtures. Most rent them from Eurocar. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

[turnaround89]

Sir andy - if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to have the car puton the rack and be aligned?

[SirAndy]

Sir andy - if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost to have the car puton the rack and be aligned?

Well, that's hard to say.

I did two cars at once. The red car took one day, the black/yellow car took 3 days.

For both cars and 4 full days of labor plus renting the Celette fixtures, my total bill was somewhere around $3000, if i recall correctly ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[turnaround89]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

[SirAndy]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

In my case, Scott the owner of the body shop has lots of experience working on 914s (He owns two).

The way it works is that the body shop owns the Celette bench and they rent the fixtures from Celette whenever they need them. The shop took care of all that.
Getting the fixtures took a few days as there's only one Celette distributor left here on the west coast that still has the 914 fixtures.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy

[rick 918-S]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

I'd just call this guy. I'm sure he can tell you which shop in your area can bench your car.

Greg Fritz

Sales and Technical Support

630-396-6100 ext 6170 Office
630-495-4078 Fax

www.celette-na.com

[turnaround89]

Found a body shop in my area with a celette bench, made a call and the owner said that fixing the car wouldn't wouldn't happen for under 5000, more towards 10000....im not paying that kind of money to fix a 3000 car, no matter the sentimental value i have in it. Time to find a shell or fix what i got.

[rick 918-S]

Found a body shop in my area with a celette bench, made a call and the owner said that fixing the car wouldn't wouldn't happen for under 5000, more towards 10000....im not paying that kind of money to fix a 3000 car, no matter the sentimental value i have in it. Time to find a shell or fix what i got.

That's pure bullshit. They just don't want to deal with it. I am working on tracking down a Cellette bench in town here. I just spoke with a guy that used to own one. He sold it to another shop here in town. I have a call into them now. (small shop with a answering machine)

I placed a call to the Cellette rep and left him a voice mail as well. What a bunch of crap!

BTW, Fixture rental used to be 300.00- 450.00 shipped.

[rick 918-S]

does the place doing the chassis alignment rent the fixtures or is that something i have to locate?

I'd just call this guy. I'm sure he can tell you which shop in your area can bench your car.

Greg Fritz

Sales and Technical Support

630-396-6100 ext 6170 Office
630-495-4078 Fax

www.celette-na.com

I had a conversation with a Cellette rep. He is emailing info about the fixture availability, location and cost. I can either get you hooked up with the local shop or if they are tired of the old Cellette collecting dust in the corner I may just purchase the thing.

This will happen whether you ever fix your car or not. I have The raspberry car with a missing front clip and Sandy's I'm picking up in Cali in like two weeks. It took a hit to the front.

Your inquiry just prompted me to do something I have been wanting to do for a long time anyway.

[SirAndy]

Your inquiry just prompted me to do something I have been wanting to do for a long time anyway.

If you do, don't forget to make a 'backup copy' of the fixtures ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy

[carr914]

Turnaround, What happened to the pictures you were going to post?

[turnaround89]

the pictures were on an external hard drive which makes a weird clicking noise when it starts up, the computer doesn't recognize it anymore...been going on for a couple weeks or so, my cousin is taking a look at...hopefully he can get the files off of it.

Anyway, the guy i talked to that has the celette bench has worked on multiple 911's, and seemed to know what he was talking about. His idea was to pull the whole car apart again and leave it on the frame rack and then reweld all the stuff back into the car. Lots of time right there. I made the floor pans and inner longs myself, and i really don't want to have to completely undo everything i just did. I don't mind cutting slots into the longs, but taking everything back out. no thanks

[rick 918-S]

the pictures were on an external hard drive which makes a weird clicking noise when it starts up, the computer doesn't recognize it anymore...been going on for a couple weeks or so, my cousin is taking a look at...hopefully he can get the files off of it.

Anyway, the guy i talked to that has the celette bench has worked on multiple 911's, and seemed to know what he was talking about. His idea was to pull the whole car apart again and leave it on the frame rack and then reweld all the stuff back into the car. Lots of time right there. I made the floor pans and inner longs myself, and i really don't want to have to completely undo everything i just did. I don't mind cutting slots into the longs, but taking everything back out. no thanks

No need to rip apart all your work. It doesn't matter that you made your own pans and inner longs. The Cellette works off the suspension pickup points not the floor or longs. I suspect the cowl is leaning back which would cause the doors to sag at the rear. This would put the front most suspension pickup points of the car high and out of line. Should be able to bolt on the check sets (four center most fixtures) and find the issue. I would say it would be a matter of vertical cuts through your longs, check the upper body diamensions and adjust the car.

[turnaround89]

right now were beginning to pull apart portions of the car, to get correct measurements. the front suspension is gonna get pulled off today, and well keep measuring to see where the car is off.

[rick 918-S]

I heard back from the shop. I really couldn't read the guy. I asked him if he was interested in selling the bench. He said he would think about it. I asked him if he was interested in fixing your car. He said he would think about it.
Ok, but he did tell me that the local frame and axle guy has the second design Cellette bench that only requires the top section of the redsigned fixtures, It's the MZ model. Shipping cost for the fixtures are less because the tops come in a suitcase not a friggin shipping crate. The only thing is there may not be fixtures for the older chassis'. I'm still checking.

[SirAndy]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) I don't get it...

Think about it ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)