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The Legend of the "914 S" & "914 SC", Myth or Fact? |
Tom_T |
Feb 7 2011, 11:21 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
another new wrinkle to the S myth / mystery......... I think that's the problem ..... there really is no way to specify exactly which cars meet the criteria because there really is no official 914 S. Look at my car below. Clearly, the service record booklet lists it as a "914 S" but if you look at my car (a mostly original car handed down from father to son, then to me), it obviously does not meet the criteria laid out by Tom. It's got black bumpers, black trim around the sail panels, no vinyl on the sail panels, etc. And the build date inside the door jamb is 6/73, so it's definitely not a 914 S according to Tom's rules. Dave, Thanx for posting this. There has been some question as to whether or not there were any 73 MY 914-2.0's without the "S" package of "included" options, and your & the PO's posts on here have put fact to that. I think this is another case of dealers hanging onto the "914S" tag long after Porsche wanted them to stop. If you got the window sticker &/or dealer sales documents from your PO/his Dad, then check the Model No. on there (six digits 914XXX) & look it up on Jeff's website on the prior post of the 74 called an "914S". It will tell you what equipment set it came with in terms of the "Groups" of options, remember the Appearance Group (USA) is called Comfort Group on there, and Sport Group is the Performance Group (USA). As far as "rules" they're not "my rules", but just some suggested guidelines on how to determine it - relative to the way Porsche+Audi dealerships and Porsche in the USA advertised them back in 1972-73. IMHO - the time of the 1973 model year it was produced & first sold new, as whether it was before Porsche's decree that the US branch stop using the "914S" nomenclature, since it was only a marketing name and special deal on the optional equipment at no extra charge. So it still has that "package" even if after the timeframe in Dec. 72 - Feb. 73 when Porsche put the brakes on the "914S" in USA ads, brochures, etc. The guideline is really the print ads & dealer brochures listing the full Appearance/Comfort & Performance/Sport Group's options as "included in the base price". Once they veered from that price & fitment strategy, then there's a good case for saying it's not quite as "Super" as the ad below indicated! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Here's what Porsche+Audi said was "included" for a "914S" or "Super Porsche" - Hope this helps with your new baby's story! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
Tom_T |
Feb 7 2011, 11:24 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
I added the "S" to mine as it is a `72 with all the refinements of the `73. It has sway bars, front suspension from a `73, gauge console, 2.0, side shifter, `73 doors, etc. Here is a hard cover book, reminds me of the Clymer. This is on Ebay. I have one in my collection. No offense, but I prefer the "rear end" in your avatar! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
Tom_T |
Feb 7 2011, 11:35 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I know the owner of this 914 he bought new with the airdam and black bumpers. The steel wheels are race tires it came with fuchs Which Model Year was that one? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You could order anything at a dealer according to Rick Perkins (some of the old hands will recognize his name), & they'd swap it out in a matter of 30-45 minutes......even a full interior swap-out between two 914s! So if it was a 73 "914S" otherwise with all the equipment offered as "included" - a buyer who preferred the black bumpers with the optional spoiler could've probably ordered it that way new, and they'd swap out the chrome bumpers to another 914 - then sell the other at an all profit up-charge for the optional chrome bumpers to boot! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) IIRC that was called a "front spoiler" when sold as an option by the dealers, and was made of a flexible rubber or plastic which bent if you hit a parking stop or curb - without breaking. Those predated the 74 MY's LE Spoiler/air dam. They were great! I wish Mark/Mikey914 would look at making those to add to his 914rubber line at some point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 20 2011, 11:31 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,741 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
If you want more info on the 914SC, check out the auctions on ebay.co.uk
Sort under "Porsche 914SC" There is a road test article which should have good details. Attached thumbnail(s) |
Tom_T |
Feb 21 2011, 06:58 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
If you want more info on the 914SC, check out the auctions on ebay.co.uk Sort under "Porsche 914SC" There is a road test article which should have good details. Thanx Jeff! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .... your 914 stash is amazing, as usual! That article is reprinted in this 914 book of articles out currently, along with a bunch of others on the UK/CW 914SC & the RHD Crawford conversions. It's got a bunch of great articles from the US, Canada, etc, too, from about `69 to 80's. It's available online from many booksellers, etc. |
mrgreenjeans |
Feb 24 2011, 04:57 PM
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mrgreenjeans Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 9-February 07 From: N.Dak. Member No.: 7,520 Region Association: Northstar Region |
another new wrinkle to the S myth / mystery......... When I purchased my early 1974 2.0 litre, nearly 20 years ago, I knew the badging on the rear to be O.E. and it says 914 2.0 This car was basically a one owner car, passed from father to son, then me. Sold new from a defunct dealer in Great Falls Mt. originally. The various items in the glove box, the front trunk, and rear trunk also listed the car on dealer documents as a 914 S. Indicated in writing many times. This car had a warranty issue regarding the replacement of the shifter knob after about 4,000 miles. It cracked and broke....It was replaced with an OE Porsche part number and recorded as such on the dealer worksheet........in Arizona ! The description of the car and the paperwork copies sent back to Porsche are in ref. to it as a Sunflower 1974 914 S, serial number 00089. This car was an August of 1973 build ----serial number 00089. It has numerous App.Grp. options. 4 bolt Fuchs ---5--- datecoded as July of 1973 3 Gauge Console Plain plastic steering wheel, NOT wrapped Center seat in tan vinyl Embossed vinyl weld seat seams Clarion AM-FM Radio installed A Euro spec Blaupunkt Frankfurt sideband , in the box in the trunk Antenna drilled on left front cowl Full set of 5 steel mag style wheels on which the car was sitting when bought Fully tinted windows, including the ultra rare rear defogger glass Black Negative side trim---Porsche NO sway bars Black plastic clad window rollups It has numerous carryover -73 items like the washer nozzles, and the center bullets on the tach and speedo. This is a low mile, very original car, never being hacked or modded, so I believe the items all are properly addressed and attended to. History is complete and well documented from day one. Curiously, it sold as a nearly year old / demo to a teacher who then immediately took it on his honeymoon through the mtns. and the S.W. It had only several hundred miles when it sold in July of 74, indicating it was a dealer demo in a small town with little sales. The family had it for nearly 20 years and 60,000 miles. The nomenclature clearly states it, and this is original to the car I believe, as a 2.0. The paperwork from all the Porsche dealerships it was at, Az., Ca., Mt., and ND all indicate it as an S. I believe the service and parts counters used that term interchangeably, as my own local Porsche mech. called it that the first time he saw it, and he has worked there since 1973 as lead Porsche-Audi man. Just adding to the lore....... Interesting story. It illustrates the carry-over of prior MY parts into the current MY in the early months of production. My early 73 and some others have some of the 72 MY carry-over items as well. Do you mean a tan hinged center cushion on the storage box for the center seat? ... and is this matching the interior color or off-color from the rest of the interior? It sounds like some of the dealers here in the USA clung to the 914S "tag" much longer than Porsche wanted them to! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It would be interesting to see how your window sticker (Munroney) reads as to which of those options were listed as N/C versus a charge for each and whether Appearance & Sport Groups or individual options. Yours sounds like it had some of the Appearance Group options as individual items - but not all (e.g.: the leather wrapped steering wheel), and not the Sport Group options of sway bars, but it has the Fuchs 2L wheels. If you look at the window stickers for 73 & 74 MYs at jeff Bowlsby's website, and you'll see the difference in the 73 MY "914S" options package, and the 74 change to charging for them all - ether as groups or individually. See here - http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/WindowStickers.htm You should also be able to find the official factory Model No. on some of the original dealer sales documents & window sticker (if you have any), which will show what was "packaged" option-wise on yours (same for anyone else lucky enough to have the original sales docs. You can then look that number up at Jeff's site here - http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/ModelNumbers.htm Thanx for sharing this! Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// Tom: Thanks for the leads to Jeff's sites. I have used them before and they are really GREAT ! I do not have any Bill Of Sale or a Monroney sticker for this particular Porsche. I plan to have a COA by Porsche done sometime soon. I do know from my limited research, that the car sold for around the 6400.00 figure. It also has the black front and rear bumpers. As to the question you made of the center console : The color and vinyl is matched perfectly to the same tan vinyl as the front seats. It is a hinged console , padded center seat with an open compartment beneath the lid/seat. It is definitely OE Porsche and supplied with the car during manufacture. All vinyl interior pieces are original to the car.........door panels, seat trim, vinyl on console lid, etc. Nothing has been replaced as far as I have been able to ascertain, and all items show the same patina / limited amount of wear expected on a ' 74 model year car. The interior carpeting is also original and is not the nicer up-market velour, but rather the closed loop pile in German fabric showing VERY little to no fading or wear. I believe this car was optioned out on a base pkg. car with several of the Appearance Group items, i.e. the 5 Fuchs, the dealer installed stereo by Clarion, the drilled antenne by the lot boy working that day, but also had several of the factory options such as the 2.0 Litre engine, the tinted glass all around, the rear window de-icer , radial tires---Michelin of which an orig. zero miler is still mounted on a wheel, the negative Porsche side stripe, left hand rearview mirror-only. I also have 4 foglites NOS in the Porsche boxes, but were never installed, the Blaupunkt Euro - Spec Shortwave- AM FM in its box in the front trunk, the O.E. -----replaced under warranty-- shift knob in place, but an Aamco wood shifter, and another white cue-ball Porsche shifter in its box, plus all the Factory supplied warranty books, owners manuals, and period Workshop manuals including Haynes and Bentley that were in the trunks with the NOS tool bag , jack, and extra wheels. No trim rings were on the Steel Mag-style wheels. Never were as evidenced by the lack of marking on the rim. I am thinking when the orig. owner had the knob replaced in AZ. while on his honeymoon, he probably didn't trust the replacement, as it had originally failed at 4,000 miles, and maybe picked up a couple spares and put them in the trunk as back-ups. Why the car never had the foglites installed I do NOT know, as well as the Blaupunkt Euro Sideband. As to how all the dealers referred to it as a 914 S on all their paperwork is also beyond my grasp, but I have knowledge of at least one more older teener owner as well as the Porsche mech. we have here locally, referring to the 2.0L cars as 914 - S's. Plus all the service bills in my stash with it written on the invoices by several different dealers in several different states. Porsche mysteries........ |
Tom_T |
Feb 26 2011, 12:56 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
another new wrinkle to the S myth / mystery......... When I purchased my early 1974 2.0 litre, nearly 20 years ago, I knew the badging on the rear to be O.E. and it says 914 2.0 This car was basically a one owner car, passed from father to son, then me. Sold new from a defunct dealer in Great Falls Mt. originally. The various items in the glove box, the front trunk, and rear trunk also listed the car on dealer documents as a 914 S. Indicated in writing many times. This car had a warranty issue regarding the replacement of the shifter knob after about 4,000 miles. It cracked and broke....It was replaced with an OE Porsche part number and recorded as such on the dealer worksheet........in Arizona ! The description of the car and the paperwork copies sent back to Porsche are in ref. to it as a Sunflower 1974 914 S, serial number 00089. This car was an August of 1973 build ----serial number 00089. It has numerous App.Grp. options. 4 bolt Fuchs ---5--- datecoded as July of 1973 3 Gauge Console Plain plastic steering wheel, NOT wrapped Center seat in tan vinyl Embossed vinyl weld seat seams Clarion AM-FM Radio installed A Euro spec Blaupunkt Frankfurt sideband , in the box in the trunk Antenna drilled on left front cowl Full set of 5 steel mag style wheels on which the car was sitting when bought Fully tinted windows, including the ultra rare rear defogger glass Black Negative side trim---Porsche NO sway bars Black plastic clad window rollups It has numerous carryover -73 items like the washer nozzles, and the center bullets on the tach and speedo. This is a low mile, very original car, never being hacked or modded, so I believe the items all are properly addressed and attended to. History is complete and well documented from day one. Curiously, it sold as a nearly year old / demo to a teacher who then immediately took it on his honeymoon through the mtns. and the S.W. It had only several hundred miles when it sold in July of 74, indicating it was a dealer demo in a small town with little sales. The family had it for nearly 20 years and 60,000 miles. The nomenclature clearly states it, and this is original to the car I believe, as a 2.0. The paperwork from all the Porsche dealerships it was at, Az., Ca., Mt., and ND all indicate it as an S. I believe the service and parts counters used that term interchangeably, as my own local Porsche mech. called it that the first time he saw it, and he has worked there since 1973 as lead Porsche-Audi man. Just adding to the lore....... Interesting story. It illustrates the carry-over of prior MY parts into the current MY in the early months of production. My early 73 and some others have some of the 72 MY carry-over items as well. Do you mean a tan hinged center cushion on the storage box for the center seat? ... and is this matching the interior color or off-color from the rest of the interior? It sounds like some of the dealers here in the USA clung to the 914S "tag" much longer than Porsche wanted them to! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It would be interesting to see how your window sticker (Munroney) reads as to which of those options were listed as N/C versus a charge for each and whether Appearance & Sport Groups or individual options. Yours sounds like it had some of the Appearance Group options as individual items - but not all (e.g.: the leather wrapped steering wheel), and not the Sport Group options of sway bars, but it has the Fuchs 2L wheels. If you look at the window stickers for 73 & 74 MYs at jeff Bowlsby's website, and you'll see the difference in the 73 MY "914S" options package, and the 74 change to charging for them all - ether as groups or individually. See here - http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/WindowStickers.htm You should also be able to find the official factory Model No. on some of the original dealer sales documents & window sticker (if you have any), which will show what was "packaged" option-wise on yours (same for anyone else lucky enough to have the original sales docs. You can then look that number up at Jeff's site here - http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/ModelNumbers.htm Thanx for sharing this! Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// Tom: Thanks for the leads to Jeff's sites. I have used them before and they are really GREAT ! I do not have any Bill Of Sale or a Monroney sticker for this particular Porsche. I plan to have a COA by Porsche done sometime soon. I do know from my limited research, that the car sold for around the 6400.00 figure. It also has the black front and rear bumpers. As to the question you made of the center console : The color and vinyl is matched perfectly to the same tan vinyl as the front seats. It is a hinged console , padded center seat with an open compartment beneath the lid/seat. It is definitely OE Porsche and supplied with the car during manufacture. All vinyl interior pieces are original to the car.........door panels, seat trim, vinyl on console lid, etc. Nothing has been replaced as far as I have been able to ascertain, and all items show the same patina / limited amount of wear expected on a ' 74 model year car. The interior carpeting is also original and is not the nicer up-market velour, but rather the closed loop pile in German fabric showing VERY little to no fading or wear. I believe this car was optioned out on a base pkg. car with several of the Appearance Group items, i.e. the 5 Fuchs, the dealer installed stereo by Clarion, the drilled antenne by the lot boy working that day, but also had several of the factory options such as the 2.0 Litre engine, the tinted glass all around, the rear window de-icer , radial tires---Michelin of which an orig. zero miler is still mounted on a wheel, the negative Porsche side stripe, left hand rearview mirror-only. I also have 4 foglites NOS in the Porsche boxes, but were never installed, the Blaupunkt Euro - Spec Shortwave- AM FM in its box in the front trunk, the O.E. -----replaced under warranty-- shift knob in place, but an Aamco wood shifter, and another white cue-ball Porsche shifter in its box, plus all the Factory supplied warranty books, owners manuals, and period Workshop manuals including Haynes and Bentley that were in the trunks with the NOS tool bag , jack, and extra wheels. No trim rings were on the Steel Mag-style wheels. Never were as evidenced by the lack of marking on the rim. I am thinking when the orig. owner had the knob replaced in AZ. while on his honeymoon, he probably didn't trust the replacement, as it had originally failed at 4,000 miles, and maybe picked up a couple spares and put them in the trunk as back-ups. Why the car never had the foglites installed I do NOT know, as well as the Blaupunkt Euro Sideband. As to how all the dealers referred to it as a 914 S on all their paperwork is also beyond my grasp, but I have knowledge of at least one more older teener owner as well as the Porsche mech. we have here locally, referring to the 2.0L cars as 914 - S's. Plus all the service bills in my stash with it written on the invoices by several different dealers in several different states. Porsche mysteries........ Wow! You got quite a haul of vintage NOS parts with it! Those AMCO shift knobs came in Walnut & vinyl leatherette (mine had that one), with either the shift patter or the Porsche Crest in cloisonne on top. Many folks put them in their 911s, 912s, 930s & 914s - especially with the crest, and they were sold at dealers back in the day for $5.00! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) .... a steal today! This is all really interesting, as it shows that the USA Porsche+Audi distributors really had the right idea in marketing the 2.0s as the "914S" - since it's stuck well after marketing program using that moniker stopped. It was also consistent with the "S" & "Super" denotations used on the 356 & 911 lines up to that time, and contrary to what Porsche feared - IMHO it did NOT take anything away from the uppmarket 911S model name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Porsche should've just jumped on the bandwagen, made up a 914S badge - which could've used the same 2 mounting holes (keeping the 1.7 & 1.8 badged simply as 914), without having to add a second 1.7 or 1.8 or 2.0 badge & holes. Simpler & less work & parts = more cost effective for the same message - an upscale & up-engined 914/4! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I was not sure if you meant the center console with the gauges being the tan vinyl leatherette (some folks have modified to that to match their upholstery), or at the center storage compartment with the hinged seat/cushion/armrest (some folks have changed those to a non-match). BTW - the loop pile carpet in the 914s was the upgrade back then, before the velour plus was offered - even for 911s. IIRC the 930s, 911s & 912s didn't come out with the velour plush carpet until 76 or 77 MY, which was after the 914s' swan song (the 76 MY 914s were all built in 75 then sold out to clear stock for the 924, & 912E's were in parallel in 76 MY). My 73 2.0 has that interior color as well - which Porsche called #31 Beige (see pix below) - using #501 Basketweave or #500 Courdorouy (#32 Beige) at the seat bottom & back inserts (501 at door panels in all cases), & #502 smooth vinyl leatherette at bolsters, backpad, etc.; with either #503 Dark Tan (tan & brown speckled) or #504 Tan loop pile carpet in the upgrade option or Appearance Group. It's all NLA & hard to find, and none of the aftermarket tan/beige/saddle materials/carpets are close enough to match with the OEM ones in place - so it requires a complete redo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) FYI - here's the 74 MY interior info. from Bowlsby's website (click on to enlarge): 72 Colors & Materials Codes Chart (it was the same for 73-74, except that Dark Tan loop pile carpet was added): 74 MY Upholstery: 74 MY Carpet: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 26 2011, 02:41 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,741 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Found another 914S item. This is one page from a VW-Canada publication called '1973 Specifications'. Sorry its the only copy I have and its pretty hard to read, but it does describe the '914S'.
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Tom_T |
Feb 26 2011, 05:01 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Found another 914S item. This is one page from a VW-Canada publication called '1973 Specifications'. Sorry its the only copy I have and its pretty hard to read, but it does describe the '914S'. Thanx as always Jeff! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This definitively shows that the Canadian dealers also marketed the 73 MY 914-2.0s as the "914S" as well, at least during the 73 MY. I've heard & read in the period review articles, that the "fully loaded" 914S package of the 73 MY saved the buyer something between $1600-2000+ for the options - if added to the 914/4 1.7L model (at the lower end if as the Appearance & Performance Groups of options - or Comfort & Sport respectively in Euro/RoW documents). Given that the 1.7 was selling for about $4000+/- at the outset of the 73 MY in August 72 - by adding the options to a 1.7 in either format, it got you up to or over the $5100+/- for the 2.0 price, so it really was a no-brainer if you wanted a "dressed up" & highly optioned 914-1.7 - so most 73 1.7s tended to be more basic stripped or minimally optioned models as the low cost option. Also, the 73 1.7 was less HP than the 72 1.7, at 76 hp 49 states or a measly 69 HP in CA - vs. the 91-95 HP for the 50 state 2.0L (100 HP in RoW) - so that pushed the popularity of the 914S - if you could find one at a dealer not already sold! By later in the 73 MY during 1973, Porsche had to increase prices on both models and all options & accessories due to D.Mark to Dollar Exchange Rate changes, so they started offering the "non-914S" lesser equipped 914-2.0's - perhaps as early as March 73. Some of the above posts illustrate these later 914-2.0's without the full Appearance/Comfort & Performance/Sport Groups' options. Jeff's Model Numbers page at the link below illustrate these various option group levels & standard fitments for 73 MY (& all MYs), with the model no. 473644 being the 49 state 2.0 "914S" - and now we know in Canada as well, and the 473464 being the California "914S" 2.0L (the only difference was the $15.00 CA Smog Certificate for emissions testing certified by the factory to meet CA stds.); while RoW (Rest of World) 914-2.0s were model no. 473614, but were only known as 914SC in the UK/Commonwealth markets, or 914S in Japan - and otherwise just as the "914 2.0" everywhere else, since the "914S" & "914SC" were marketed in only those specific regions/countries. For the 73 MY "fully loaded" 914-2.0 - whether as a "914S" or "914SC" or plain ole 914-2.0, the only "included optional equipment" difference between the USA market whose Performance Group excluded the H4's, and the others was that everywhere else the Sport Group included: > the "new for 73 MY" 4-lug Fuchs "2L style" lightweight forged alloy wheels ..... with 165HR15 tires > F & R sway (anti-sway or stabilizer) bars 19 mm & 16 mm respectively > H4 Halogen Headlights (not yet approved by USA DOT, so not included) As I peer at your Canadian dealer specs. form (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) .... I notice a few things ...... Of note in the lower right corner of it All, that there is a list of extra cost options with a fill-in line for the current prices as available from the Canadian dealers (US dealers had similar forms, I've seen them back in the day). Some were Porsche factory parts, while others were subcontracted out by Porsche W. Germany or by Porsche+Audi/VW of America for dealer sales (both were done back then), and the latter should be considered OEM/OES parts IMHO - NOT aftermarket doo-dads. Since it's so hard to read (italics below are my notes added), they are: Porsche AM/FM Radio (as listed in the PET & factory options) (BTW - they also sold VW & Motorola units & with 8-track or cassette player, as most had the VW Dealership on the same lot.) - mine had/has the VW4412 Motorola AM/FM/8-track, which may have been a subsequent upgrade by the OO/PO before I bought it 3 yrs. old in 12/75.) Ski Rack - I got that one & a Hardt Bike Rack from Chick Iverson P+A in 76 Porsche Racing Stripes (I presume these were the positive side stripes at this time up to 74.5 MY, then the negative stripes became available in Spring 74 with the LE trim package.) Chrome Tailpipe Extension (The 914 PET parts catalog listed/lists p/n's for 914/6, 1.7/1.8 & 2.0 types.) Leather Gearshift Knob (I believe these were the AMCO made leather or leatherette knob with the cloisonne top badge of either the Porsche Crest or shift Pattern, and was also available in Walnut - back $5.00 any back then.) - mine had/has the Leatherette with Porsche Crest Mag Type Wheel Covers (Fuchs 5-spoke look) Rear Luggage Rack (also by OES/OEM AMCO, as were the chromed "U-shape" tube-type F & R Bumper Over-riders) Front air intake grill mouldings (Porsche parts by unknown OES/OEM) . The second subsection are: "Options (Factory Installed)" Tinted Windshield Tinted Windshield and Side Glass (COAs & Munroney window-stickers usually list this as: "Tinted Glass All Around," but it never included tinted rear glass since that was shaded by the rollbar/sails & therefore considered superfluous.) * Premium Cast Alloy Wheels (Technically the factory specs. & PET listed the 4-lug Pedrini & "new for 73 MY" Mahle wheels as "cast alloy," whereas the "new for 73 MY" 4-lug Fuchs 2L as "lightweight forged alloy wheels" - which were the standard on the "914S" fitment. Presumably this was done to keep the wheel choice line simple.) Special Colors (This would include the $150 IIRC extra charge for the "standard" Black & Metallic Paints, the #98 paint code special request colors from any other "standard Porsche color" - including 911s - $195 IIRC, or the #99 paint code "paint to customer sample" paint - which included anything under the sun for $275 IIRC.) "*Standard on 914 S" Here are pictures of most of these options from a 72 MY's options & accessories brochures (also courtesy of Jeff) - but since I don't have a 73 MY dealer accessory brochure, these are from various years, but illustrate the options available for the 73 MY & as noted in Jeff's Canadian dealer model specs. from above: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Tom_T |
Feb 26 2011, 05:43 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Some additional AMCO & dealer options & accessories brochures' items illustrating the Canadian dealers specs. sheet list (all courtesy of Jeff's 914 website) .....
AMCO Accessories Brochure/Ad: Leather/Leatherette & Walnut Shift Knobs with Porsche Crest & 901 5-Speed Shift Pattern Cloisonne: [attachmentid=250 669] Chrome Tailpipe Extension: Mag-style Wheel Covers: Front Vent Air Grille Trim: (I'm not sure if black was available for 73 MY.) Front, Rear, Set & Instructions of/for Chrome Bumper Overriders: - (these may not work with 73-74 MY USA Rubber Bumper Gaurds) [attachmentid=250 676] FYI - there are many other 914 accessories & options illustrated at Jeff's website here - http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/OpEq.htm http://bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Accessories.htm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
smg914 |
Feb 28 2011, 08:04 PM
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Sahara Beige Steve Group: Members Posts: 1,969 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 1,695 Region Association: None |
I found this cardboard display in the library at Auto Atlanta last week. There was another one for the 914 and this one for the 914S. I took a photo's of both but unfortunately the one for the 914 is not legible because of the bright flash of my camera.
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Tom_T |
Feb 28 2011, 10:25 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Thanx Steve!
I've got a Canon SX100 (newer SX120 & SX130) which allows me to leave the flash down & still take pix for "hot" or reflective surfaces, which really helped at the Atlanta Aquarium! Did you happen to come across any more NOS Dark Tan #503 (tan & brown speckled) loop pile carpet pieces while there at AA swapping the interior of the -6? ... esp. Driver Floor piece? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) PM or email me if so. BTW - the early 70-74 colors were called Beige #31 (basketweave insets) or #32 (corduroy seat insets) - "Cinnamon" came along with the later post 74 vinyl & has a bit of brown swirl like in cinnamon bread. My 73 MY Beige #31 - a bit lighter & more uniform color: > It's a lighter more tan in brighter light (overcast when this was taken), and this should be similar to the original interior for the 914-6 you swapped-out. vs. Later 74-75 Cinnamon from Jeff Bowlsby's website - with sort of a two-tone: |
smg914 |
Feb 28 2011, 10:54 PM
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Sahara Beige Steve Group: Members Posts: 1,969 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 1,695 Region Association: None |
I was looking at the COA for the willow green car 9141430241 while at AA last week and for whatever reason, it showed the interior color as Cinnamon.
I looked at a lot of carpet last week but I did not look at the pile of factory floor mats. If I were to guess, I would say what you want is probably there. |
Tom_T |
Mar 1 2011, 12:19 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
I was looking at the COA for the willow green car 9141430241 while at AA last week and for whatever reason, it showed the interior color as Cinnamon. I looked at a lot of carpet last week but I did not look at the pile of factory floor mats. If I were to guess, I would say what you want is probably there. I'll only go through you for AA now Steve, if they have what I need at any point. I don't trust the folks who do the COA's, cuz they really don't know the codes correctly. All too often from what I've seen & heard from many folks on here & SoCal Teeners, they just don't know the codes which change with models & years, so put what they think it is. They initially told me mine was first sold in Sept. 73 in Conn. - even though that was a year after is was built in 8/72 & they just weren't slow selling the 2.0s in 73 MY, plus my DMV Reg cards said first sold in CA on 11/9/72 (I'm the 2nd owner since 12/75). I had to send the DMV Reg. Card pic to have them correct their poor record keeping, as well as a pic of the GA number on the engine to get them to correct it to a "914 2.0" on my COA! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) They also tried to list mine the first 2 tries as "#31 Black" - even though other COAs for other 914s correctly listed "#11 Black" & "#31 as Beige" (or sometimes "Tan" if that's what the COA person thought it was). So it took me 9 months & going through the Customer Service Mgr. at PCNA armed with copies of those 72, 73 & 74 MYs color & material selection & sample sheets to get them to change it. BTW - that's why Rick Perkins told me that story I put on the Willow-6 story post of yours - when he came out to inspect my 73 2L for the HO (battery & fuel lines) & BO (non-hubcentric wheels) Recalls. But when I told him that they just mis-named the #31, he agreed with me that they should change it to Beige, & called them for me to move it along. I'd guess that if George sent in the 72 color sheet that I posted on your 914club story on the Willow-6 to PCNA, that they'd send him a corrected one at no charge (they're not supposed to charge for corrections). Let me know if he needs the contact info. for the GM if he gets any flak. Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
tumamilhem |
Dec 14 2012, 08:02 AM
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LUFTBRIGADE Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-October 12 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 15,092 Region Association: South East States |
Back to the documentation, after that sidetrack ... ... continued from previous post .... ... continued ... Back Cover of 12 page Porsche+Audi 914 Sales Brochure referring to "914 S": . . Then - amongst the familiar "The __[blank]__ Porsche" series of print ads, there were the early 1973 MY ads during the second half of 1972 which touted the "914 S" as "The Super Porsche" was in the first one below (in both color & B&W). This was later changed to tout the "914 2.0" by the 1974 MY ads in the second ad, but oddly it was just reformatted with the text from bottom to top & still used of what appears to be the very same 1973 MY 914 photo - note the 70-73 MY positive side stripes, rather than the 74-76 MY negative side stripes as in the 3rd pic (from the 74 MY brochures). Pix of Print Ads for 914S, 914-2.0 & 74 MY 914 with Negative Side Stripes: . . Whereas, later 73 MY Print ads only referred to the 2.0L engine - rather than either the earlier "914 S" or later "914 2.0" nomenclature, as in "The Action Porsche" & "The City Porsche" print ads below. "The Action Porsche" & "The City Porsche" print ads with reference only to 2.0L engine: . . So the use of the "914 S" nomenclature was pretty prevalent from the introduction of the 1973 models - including the "new" 2 Liter 4 cylinder model meant to replace the now discontinued 914-6. Most Teeners know that the 2L 4 turned out more power than the 1.7L denoting the "Super" for the "S" - 95 hp with the GA motor - which is sometimes listed as 91 hp - depending upon whether DIN or SAE numbers were used (vs. 100 hp from the higher compression "non-California-smog/unleaded gas" Euro/World GB motor - which had 8.0:1 vs. 7.6:1 in the GA). But what made it "Special" as well? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ... Well, for the initial 73 MY only the 2 Liter model by either name came "loaded" with the Appearance Group's & Performance Group's list of options at no additional charge - usually listed as "N/C" on the window stickers - ostensibly to help offset the perceived loss of value of dropping the 914-6 from the line-up, with the 914S/914-2.0 at essentially the same price as the 71 914-6. These "included options" or "upgrades" included: > Appearance Group Optional Equipment (comparable to Euro "Comfort Group") - ..... Chrome Front & Rear Bumpers ..... Fog/Driving Lights with Chrome (plastic) Grills in the Front Bumper ..... Black Vinyl Leatherette Covering with Chrome Trim (polished anodized aluminum in fact) at the rollbar/sail panels ..... Black Vinyl Leatherette Covered Center Console with 3 Gauges - Clock ("Kienzle" type), Oil Temperature Gauge ("wide red band" type), & voltmeter (same type 73-76) ......... ~ see here for gauge & other MY fitment info.: http://www.p914.com/p914_gauges_console.htm ..... Leather covered steering wheel (later 74-76 MY's switched to Vinyl Leatherette) ..... Leather Shifter Boot ..... Loop Pile Carpet (sometimes called "Velour" in the ads, etc.) > Performance Group Optional Equipment (comparable to Euro "Sport Group") - ..... Front & Rear Anti-sway Stabilization Bars ("Sway Bars" for short - 16 mm front & 15 mm rear) ..... 5.5J x 15 Lightweight Forged Alloy Wheels - now commonly referred to as "Fuchs 2 Liter Alloys"* - with ... ..... 165HR15 Sport or Performance Tires, ofter Dunlop SP57 tires, as well as other tires from Michelin, Continental & Semperit .......... (the 1.7's had 165SR15 size on "standard" 5.5J x 15 steel wheels - both usually are considered /80 ~ 165/80R15 in HR or SR) * Note that most 914-2.0's from the "914 S" era were subject to the "BO Recall Campaign" released in Dec. 1972, which required that the dealers check that the Alloy Wheels were in fact of the part number ending in -01 with the machined inset around the center hole to receive the "new for 73 MY" self-centering lip around the front wheel "hub-centric hubs" - as opposed to some early -00 part nos. produced with a flat backed hub seat to fit earlier 914s as either an option or flat-out mistake by PAG &/or Fuchs. More information on this recall - as well as the HO Recall for the battery & engine bay fuel lines applicable to all 914's - can be found at the link below of all recalls for the 914 series (the blue links in the chart link to pix of the actual factory & VWoA letters & instructions to the dealers, which Jeff Bowlsby has been kind enough to collect for us all, along with the rest of the excellent 914 info. there). PCNA is still obligated to perform any NHTSA required safety recalls - even at this late date - so long as it has never been performed on a particular car, so call the PCNA Customer Care 800# with your VIN & inquire. http://www.bowlsby.net/914/Classic/Recalls.htm . Black & White Ad as above for the "914 S", with a detail of the text showing the "Extra Equipment" included in the 73 MY 2L's base price: . ... continued .... In reference to the recall info you claim will still be honored; I just bought a Creamsicle that still has original plastic fuel lines. Are you saying I can take it to Brumos and they will install SS fuel lines at no cost? |
Tom_T |
Dec 14 2012, 10:41 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
In reference to the recall info you claim will still be honored; I just bought a Creamsicle that still has original plastic fuel lines. Are you saying I can take it to Brumos and they will install SS fuel lines at no cost? No - that recall only covered the engine bay cloth covered fuel lines & a full battery cover (vs. the earlier "T" shaped ones). If your 914 never had that or another recall, then they are obligated to perform it upon demand by the then current owner, & that holds for all auto mfgrs. The SS tunnel lines are a much later aftermarket update/modification necessitated by age of the vehicles now at +/- 40 years old, which we all would do at our own cost. |
tumamilhem |
Dec 14 2012, 10:51 AM
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LUFTBRIGADE Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-October 12 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 15,092 Region Association: South East States |
I don't understand "by the 'then' 'current' owner." I am the current owner, not the prior owner.
So I would be able to get a battery cover from the dealer? what kind of fuel lines were the replacements? how would they be obligated to do these services if the parts are discontinued? Honestly, I don't think Brumos would do it. I've had issues with their service department before. |
Tom_T |
Dec 14 2012, 12:31 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Tommy,
"Then" is just whoever the current owner is at the time Just call the PCNA 800# & click the customer care number, & give them your VIN to check if they have record of the recall being done. If not, then they will get a service order & source the parts for you to have done at your local P dealer. They may want you to take the 914 to a dealer to have them check for the recall sticker, or send someone to your house/shop if it's not running yet (as they did for mine). I know, I have one awaiting my 914 resto to be drivable to the local dealership here. The fuel lines are just the rubber outside type commonly used today, and the battery cover was also an Audi & VW product. Since they sourced parts for mine, I presume they're still available in some form, maybe from current P-cars. Federal Law requires all NHTSA recalls to be performed on any/all subject vehicles in perpetuity - forever, but only if not done before by a dealer before sold or for a PO. However, that doesn't apply to voluntary recalls by the mfgr. itself - only the NHTSA ones. Good Luck! Tommie Tee /////// |
tumamilhem |
Dec 14 2012, 01:07 PM
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LUFTBRIGADE Group: Members Posts: 1,228 Joined: 29-October 12 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 15,092 Region Association: South East States |
Great. Thank you so much for that information, Tommie!
PS - My name is Tommy and my entire life, people ask me if I spell it with a y or ie. I've never understood that and never seen our name spelled with an ie. Until now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Tom_T |
Dec 14 2012, 01:35 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Great. Thank you so much for that information, Tommie! PS - My name is Tommy and my entire life, people ask me if I spell it with a y or ie. I've never understood that and never seen our name spelled with an ie. Until now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) All through high school I tried to get my friends & family to "upgrade" me to "Tom", which lasted as long as the first practice at college for the Soccer & Rugby teams, whence our Brit Coach called everyone Billy, Bobby, Jimmy, Johnny .... and ..... you guessed it - Tommy/Tommie. Since we had another Tommy, I was Tommie Tee! My grandparents, aunts & parents all used the "Tommie". I had a 7th grade crush on a cute gal named "Tommi" - so there's another & female usage! Feel free to email or PM me, if you need any guidance on the recall thing. Happy Holidays! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) Tom ~or~ Tommie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) /////// |
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