 The Legend of the "914 S" & "914 SC", Myth or Fact? |
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| Tom_T |
 Jun 14 2010, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 08:21 PM)  QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well now, that doesn't quite work right for a roadster, so they must've had something else in mind when the Brits coined it for the 914-2.0 to the UK!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) SC was also used for "Super Carrera" on the 356's IIRC somewhere along the line. Maybe the Brits just wanted to clarify that it was indeed a "Sports Car"!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Hey Andy - Big Thanx for getting all the move & bugs worked out on the world website & server!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 15 2010, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 14 2010, 10:27 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 08:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well now, that doesn't quite work right for a roadster The 911 SC is a roadster? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy |
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 02:52 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 12:01 AM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 14 2010, 10:27 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 08:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well now, that doesn't quite work right for a roadster The 911 SC is a roadster? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy Andy - a Roadster is an open top car & usually only a 2 seater but sometimes with a small rear jump or kiddy or package seat - so a 914 or 911 Targa is usually grouped as a roadster, even if it's not a soft top convertable type but has a removable hardtop or hard-drop-top design. Technically the 911/912/930 hardtop is a Coupe because of the hardtop & 2 door design (vs. 4 dr.) & no B-pillar between the front & rear side windows. In today's Porsche models' terms - the Boxster is a Roadster, while a Cayman is a Sports Coupe, & convertable/Targa 911's are Roadsters & hardtops (permanent ones) are Sports Coupes. My 85 325e 2dr. gets called a Coupe, but since it has a b-pillar, it is technically classed as a 2 dr sedan, whereas the old 60's-70's BMW 2.8/3.0 CS/CSi with no b-pillar were true Coupes. Additionally, some of the current b-pillar-less 4 dr. are called coupes by MBZ. Anyway, that was the old school auto definitions when I was looking at going to Art Center or Carnegie-Mellon for automotive design/engineering in 1969-70. Therefore you're Sports Coupe for 911SC sounds correct - it being a sports coupe. |
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| ME733 |
Jun 15 2010, 06:18 AM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 04:52 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 12:01 AM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 14 2010, 10:27 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 08:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well now, that doesn't quite work right for a roadster The 911 SC is a roadster? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy Andy - a Roadster is an open top car & usually only a 2 seater but sometimes with a small rear jump or kiddy or package seat - so a 914 or 911 Targa is usually grouped as a roadster, even if it's not a soft top convertable type but has a removable hardtop or hard-drop-top design. Technically the 911/912/930 hardtop is a Coupe because of the hardtop & 2 door design (vs. 4 dr.) & no B-pillar between the front & rear side windows. In today's Porsche models' terms - the Boxster is a Roadster, while a Cayman is a Sports Coupe, & convertable/Targa 911's are Roadsters & hardtops (permanent ones) are Sports Coupes. My 85 325e 2dr. gets called a Coupe, but since it has a b-pillar, it is technically classed as a 2 dr sedan, whereas the old 60's-70's BMW 2.8/3.0 CS/CSi with no b-pillar were true Coupes. Additionally, some of the current b-pillar-less 4 dr. are called coupes by MBZ. Anyway, that was the old school auto definitions when I was looking at going to Art Center or Carnegie-Mellon for automotive design/engineering in 1969-70. Therefore you're Sports Coupe for 911SC sounds correct - it being a sports coupe. .......................what a hell of a great explanation of car classification facts... |
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| carr914 |
Jun 15 2010, 07:24 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 11:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy This starts the debate the 911 guys have had for a long time. You know that Porsche made a 911SC Cabriolet, right? Kinda tough to have a Super Coupe Convertable. |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 15 2010, 11:00 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,893 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 11:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe This starts the debate the 911 guys have had for a long time. On German cars, from the '60s to the '90s and even today: The letter "S" has traditionally always stood for "Sport". The letter "C" has stood for "Coupe". The letter "I" has stood for "Injektion". But what do i know, i just grew up there ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy |
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 11:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy This starts the debate the 911 guys have had for a long time. You know that Porsche made a 911SC Cabriolet, right? Kinda tough to have a Super Coupe Convertable. Yup TC - That illustrates the same loose application in marketing the cars - any make & any country/region - as for my BMW 325e "Coupe" ~ what is more convenient or has more sizzle is often applied. How is it relevant to the "914 S" - well it's essentially the same approach - Porsche+Audi picked a marketing "tag" that they felt would get them the most mileage in promoting the new 2.0L 4 cyl. model. |
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| URY914 |
Jun 15 2010, 11:59 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,955 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
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What did "T" stand for? Touring or Titties? |
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 12:09 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 10:00 AM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 11:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe This starts the debate the 911 guys have had for a long time. On German cars, from the '60s to the '90s and even today: The letter "S" has traditionally always stood for "Sport". The letter "C" has stood for "Coupe". The letter "I" has stood for "Injektion". But what do i know, i just grew up there ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy I don't disagree Andy, but the application was far from consistent between makes, countries, regions - let alone worldwide. A case in point for a German make of the era - well technically Austrian - is the BMW 3.0 CS & 3.0 CSi ~ yes the "i" is for the injected model (vs. carbureted), but did they intend "CS" as "Coupe Sport" or something else for the "S" - since it was clearly a Coupe. In any case relevant to the subject matter here - what "SC" means in Germany, USA or Canada for any particular make & model, nor for prior/later Porsche models, nor our own personal theories on it, is really not the point relative to this topic on "914 S" & "914 SC" marketing programs. So myself, Any, TC, etc. are offering our guesses& other info., but not really answering the real question here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) What we're interested in knowing more about, is what the British/UK distributor of the 914's specifically meant in coining "914 SC" - so we're still missing that bit of info. from our Brit Teeaners or another member here who really knows. I was unable to find what they meant by that reference in the articles reprinted in the "Porsche 914 Portfolio" book noted above. So does anyone out there have further info. on the UK's "914SC" marketing program?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 12:15 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 15 2010, 10:59 AM) Andy What did "T" stand for? Touring or Titties? If you were touring, you hoped to find titties back in the 60's & 70's! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) GT stood for Grand Touring or Grant Tourisimo, as well as being a specific production car race class at Le Mans etc., which generally required a minimum of 500 examples to be built in order to qualify to race there as a "Homologated" production model (vs. a limited production or a purpose built race only car). BTW - even counting the 914-6/GT kits distributed by the dealers/distributors - the 914-6/GT fell short of homologation by some 10 or 20 +/-units! |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 15 2010, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 11:09 AM) A case in point for a German make of the era - well technically Austrian - is the BMW 3.0 CS & 3.0 CSi ~ yes the "i" is for the injected model (vs. carbureted), but did they intend "CS" as "Coupe Sport" or something else for the "S" - since it was clearly a Coupe. BMW was Austrian? Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You do know what BMW stands for, right? As for the 3.0 CSI, it's a perfect example of what i said above ... The CS was the carbed 'Sport Coupe' while the CSI was the injected 'Sport Coupe'. Or 'Coupe Sport' in this case. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 15 2010, 01:31 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,893 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 15 2010, 10:59 AM) What did "T" stand for? Touring or Titties? "T" stands for "Tourenwagen" or "Touring" for you English speakers ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| Bleyseng |
Jun 15 2010, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 12:30 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 11:09 AM) A case in point for a German make of the era - well technically Austrian - is the BMW 3.0 CS & 3.0 CSi ~ yes the "i" is for the injected model (vs. carbureted), but did they intend "CS" as "Coupe Sport" or something else for the "S" - since it was clearly a Coupe. BMW was Austrian? Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You do know what BMW stands for, right? As for the 3.0 CSI, it's a perfect example of what i said above ... The CS was the carbed 'Sport Coupe' while the CSI was the injected 'Sport Coupe'. Or 'Coupe Sport' in this case. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Bavaria is in Austria, right..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) and the Black Forest is in France (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) |
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| MDG |
Jun 15 2010, 04:06 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Jun 15 2010, 03:52 PM) Bavaria is in Austria, right..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) and the Black Forest is in France (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) mmmmmm . . . Black Forest Cake . . . Bavarian Cream Pie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) |
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| carr914 |
Jun 15 2010, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 01:00 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 14 2010, 11:21 PM) QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:48 PM) Also what do you think SC stands for?, because even the 911 guys can't come to an agreement on that. SC = Sport Coupe This starts the debate the 911 guys have had for a long time. On German cars, from the '60s to the '90s and even today: The letter "S" has traditionally always stood for "Sport". The letter "C" has stood for "Coupe". The letter "I" has stood for "Injektion". But what do i know, i just grew up there ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy Not trying to argue as I don't have a Dog in this fight ( insert Michael Vick joke), but I have seen/heard refer to it as Sport Coupe, Super Coupe, Super Carrera, etc. all in the 911 Circles, therefore the debate. I will be with some Porsche Officials tomorrow - I bet I get a different answer. T.C. |
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| URY914 |
Jun 15 2010, 05:04 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,955 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Ask Steve G., he knows everything.
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 05:12 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 12:30 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 11:09 AM) A case in point for a German make of the era - well technically Austrian - is the BMW 3.0 CS & 3.0 CSi ~ yes the "i" is for the injected model (vs. carbureted), but did they intend "CS" as "Coupe Sport" or something else for the "S" - since it was clearly a Coupe. BMW was Austrian? Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You do know what BMW stands for, right? As for the 3.0 CSI, it's a perfect example of what i said above ... The CS was the carbed 'Sport Coupe' while the CSI was the injected 'Sport Coupe'. Or 'Coupe Sport' in this case. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Brain Fart! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) - how about Bavaria! .... unless they really meant to badge it AMW! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Coupe Sport ... is that different than Sport Coupe from Porsche? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ... or did they mean Coupe Super? ... or Super Coupe bass-ackwards?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I believe I stated the CS & CSi correctly above! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Nuff said - cuz this self-flagellation is not answering what the Brits' meant 914SC to mean! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 15 2010, 05:22 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,893 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 04:12 PM) or did they mean Coupe Super? ... or Super Coupe bass-ackwards?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I don't recall anyone ever using the word "Super" with regards to a "S" badge on any German automobile. I have no idea where that terminology came from. But i only spent 35 years in Germany, it's possible i missed a thing or two ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| MDG |
Jun 15 2010, 05:26 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 07:22 PM) I don't recall anyone ever using the word "Super" with regards to a "S" badge on any German There's a woman from Hamburg who lives down the road. It's generally acknowledged she is a Super Cougar. We call her SC. Just sayin' |
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| Tom_T |
Jun 15 2010, 05:39 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 15 2010, 04:22 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jun 15 2010, 04:12 PM) or did they mean Coupe Super? ... or Super Coupe bass-ackwards?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I don't recall anyone ever using the word "Super" with regards to a "S" badge on any German automobile. I have no idea where that terminology came from. But i only spent 35 years in Germany, it's possible i missed a thing or two ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Ummm....maybe how about S for Super in the 356 line-up, since both badging was used, and the 911S was also referred to as "Super" on that 356 carry-forward in some Porsche literature. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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