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> M471 Clarification, just flares?
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post Jun 23 2010, 08:43 PM
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Sorry for my Rant.

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post Jun 23 2010, 09:06 PM
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post Jun 23 2010, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Jun 23 2010, 06:43 PM) *

Sorry for my Rant, but I'm not going to take Shit from Andy, Z, or anybody else ( sorry Z, as I know we have buried the hatchet)

T.C.

I am completely neutral here, but I didn't see anything negative in this thread until your post, TC. Could you have misread one of Andy's posts? I don't see where he was trying to give you any shit. This was a good thread until it went ugly.
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post Jun 23 2010, 10:25 PM
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post Jun 23 2010, 10:27 PM
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Sorry for my Rant, but I'm not going to take Shit from Andy, Z, or anybody else

If you don't want shit, simply don't ask for it ...

I learned that before i was 12. You still have a few years to go, so you're excused.
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post Jun 23 2010, 11:27 PM
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So M471 was flares, wheels, studs, and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/post-2-1117899824.gif) . Got it.
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post Jun 24 2010, 12:10 AM
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post Jun 24 2010, 06:44 AM
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I think it was the "you need to get laid more" comment that might of pissed him off...somebody made a mistake and somebody pointed that out...it should have ended like that....shake hands and be friends...we are all 12 sometimes. Peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jun 24 2010, 08:34 AM
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I think it was the "you need to get laid more" comment that might of pissed him off......shake hands and be friends...we are all 12 sometimes. Peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


That and a few too many brews on my part. I apologize for getting out of line and sending the thread in a bad direction.

Let's get back to business - M471 anyone?

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post Jun 24 2010, 11:26 AM
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So M471 was flares, wheels, studs, and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/post-2-1117899824.gif) . Got it.


The car we saw did not have butt-welded flares either. Spoke to Dug the other night and he was clear that it's almost impossible to see the weld from the inner fender unless the car has been stripped.
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post Jun 24 2010, 11:54 AM
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Buuuuuuuuut..... wasn't M471 available as a parts order? So technically you could have an M471 car, but not a factory M471 car. Right?

Also, was M471 dealer installed or factory installed?
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post Jun 24 2010, 01:24 PM
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post Jun 24 2010, 01:44 PM
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I invite all to come see us and inspect my FACTORY m-471 gt car and I also will on Steve's behalf invite all to come and inspect his as well! The m 471 was a factory produced GT without all of the racing poop. (the factory considered the m-471 cars factory GTs.) The cars were factory produced with factory installed steel butt welded flares done when the car was just an unpainted body shell. After the cars got their flares they were built as a stock 914-6 until final assembly when factory gt fiberglass rocker panels were installed (stamped with a factory part number) a steel front stock valance flared on the ends by the factory to match the flares, longer wheel studs installed to accomodate 21mm factory aluminum wheel spacers, to which 6x15 annodized fuchs wheels were installed with 185/70 15 tires. That is it. The car NEVER had a rear valance. Very, very few of these were built by the factory and only to homologate them for racing rules at that time (had to build a street example in order to race in the same configuration)

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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Jun 23 2010, 05:15 AM) *

one neat touch was the factory flared front steel valance.


George, was it just the front valence, or did it include the rear valence and the rocker panels? All four pieces benefit from flaring to match the fenders.
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post Jun 24 2010, 01:52 PM
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So M471 was flares, wheels, studs, and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) . Got it.


Don't forget the spacers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

The factory flares I purchased for my car (eBay about 7 years ago) were butt welded previously way beyond my comprehension of "awesome" welding. Once I got them blasted to bare metal I was STUNNED at the finish work on the weld. Leaded in various areas as well... I always wondered if they came off a factory car.
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 24 2010, 09:54 AM) *

Buuuuuuuuut..... wasn't M471 available as a parts order? So technically you could have an M471 car, but not a factory M471 car. Right?

Also, was M471 dealer installed or factory installed?

Back in the day, anyone could walk up to the parts counter at the local Porsche dealer and order the parts needed to convert any 914 or 914-6 into a GT clone or an M471 clone. Using these kits, anyone (dealers, TC, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads) could build a clone.

However there were approximately a total of 50 914-6 GT racecars and 914-6 M471's that were produced by the Porsche factory. 23 of the 50 were M471's.
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:01 PM
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This is a good thread about the M471. I always kinda wondered exactly what went into that option for all that mulah!
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 24 2010, 01:54 PM) *

Buuuuuuuuut..... wasn't M471 available as a parts order? So technically you could have an M471 car, but not a factory M471 car. Right?

Also, was M471 dealer installed or factory installed?


M471 was Factory Installed ( Georges, Steves & about 20 others) Dealer Installed ( as 400 Kits had to be made to Homlogate the GT) and individual Installed ( Mine included as the Dealers did not sell many of the Kits)

I can see why the Dealers didn't sell many as Installation & New Paint would have added greatly to the price of a -6. It would have been better to buy a 911S at that price point - more power and not a NARP

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post Jun 24 2010, 02:11 PM
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Back in the day, anyone could walk up to the parts counter at the local Porsche dealer and order the parts needed to convert any 914 or 914-6 into a GT clone or an M471 clone. Using these kits, anyone (dealers, TC, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads) could build a clone.

In fact the so called Last six, the certificate of authenticity stating that the car was "for factory use only" had an m-471 factory package installed on it at the factory before it was finally sold in 1979. However it was not originally built as an m 471





QUOTE(smg914 @ Jun 24 2010, 01:00 PM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 24 2010, 09:54 AM) *

Buuuuuuuuut..... wasn't M471 available as a parts order? So technically you could have an M471 car, but not a factory M471 car. Right?

Also, was M471 dealer installed or factory installed?

Back in the day, anyone could walk up to the parts counter at the local Porsche dealer and order the parts needed to convert any 914 or 914-6 into a GT clone or an M471 clone. Using these kits, anyone (dealers, TC, sportos, motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads) could build a clone.

However there were approximately a total of 50 914-6 GT racecars and 914-6 M471's that were produced by the Porsche factory. 23 of the 50 were M471's.
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post Jun 25 2010, 04:16 AM
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So how many real M471's are out there? How much do they go for or are worth? George you still have that blue one that was on the cover of Excellence magazing years ago? I loved that car
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So how many real M471's are out there? How much do they go for or are worth? George you still have that blue one that was on the cover of Excellence magazing years ago? I loved that car

My private M471 registry currently shows 13 of the 23 factory produced M471 cars are still known to exist. Only 7 of the 13 are in the US.

As far as their worth? That's hard to say because none of them are for sale.


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