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| brant |
 Oct 8 2010, 10:37 AM
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914 Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 11,739 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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QUOTE(Zundfolge @ Oct 8 2010, 10:09 AM)  Keep in mind that the 914 was originally designed to be a front engine car (that's why the front trunk is so huge) so if you want to go AWD you might as well just put the engine up front. huh?.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) |
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| Zundfolge |
Oct 8 2010, 11:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 847 Joined: 12-August 07 From: Colorado Springs Member No.: 7,994 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE(brant @ Oct 8 2010, 09:37 AM) QUOTE(Zundfolge @ Oct 8 2010, 10:09 AM) Keep in mind that the 914 was originally designed to be a front engine car (that's why the front trunk is so huge) so if you want to go AWD you might as well just put the engine up front. huh?.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) That's the story I've always heard ... Here's one reference to it and here's another. |
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| Hontec |
Oct 8 2010, 01:06 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
The way I read it, the front engine setup was just a pre-design study, which is usually the case with cars before a final design is used after many, many initial designs have been made....... Fitting an engine and transmission and steering rack in front of the car is virtually impossible. Even with a shallow height Subaru and transmission it will not fit..... and then you still need to put in a steering rack somewhere.. the distance from the axle center to the start of the cabin is too short.
The tranny would take up the majority of the inside in the cabin and it would leave you no space in the footwell....and so on and so on.....this will not fit even close..... |
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| URY914 |
Oct 20 2010, 05:54 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 123,047 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Zundfolge @ Oct 8 2010, 09:09 AM) Keep in mind that the 914 was originally designed to be a front engine car (that's why the front trunk is so huge) ...never heard that before. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 20 2010, 06:11 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Zundfolge @ Oct 8 2010, 10:19 AM) http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=51265 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 23 2010, 05:27 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
Finished the right rear shock absorber mounting jig today:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833235.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833236.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833236.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833236.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833237.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1287833237.6.jpg) |
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| carr914 |
Oct 23 2010, 07:42 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,107 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Hontec @ Sep 26 2010, 01:43 PM) Project was sort of a bet with a friend that It wouldn't fit, when I proved it did, I lost interest and scrapped it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i854.photobucket.com-12210-1285522995.6.jpg) If you ever lose interest in this car, don't cut it up, send it to Me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 23 2010, 08:15 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(carr914 @ Oct 23 2010, 03:42 PM) If you ever lose interest in this car, don't cut it up, send it to Me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) If I do, my wife will kill me........ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 23 2010, 08:17 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
Mounted the passenger side door to check for gaps and alignment....It is absolutely evenly gapped all around, that makes me a happy guy... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Jeroen |
Oct 27 2010, 01:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
awesome work!
damn... I'd better step up on my game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| rick 918-S |
Oct 27 2010, 03:11 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,681 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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QUOTE(Jeroen @ Oct 27 2010, 02:35 PM) Hi Buddy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Nice work eh! |
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| Jeroen |
Oct 27 2010, 04:41 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
hey Rick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)
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| Jeroen |
Oct 27 2010, 05:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Just a couple of Q's...
On the rear susp. fixture, why did go off the adjustable piece that holds the outer end of the trailing arm (whatsitcalled... come on guys, I've been out of this too long (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)) and not the chassis? Kinda ditto on the front. Since the top shock mount (camber plate) is adjustable... |
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| rick 918-S |
Oct 27 2010, 07:07 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,681 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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QUOTE(Jeroen @ Oct 27 2010, 06:35 PM) Just a couple of Q's... On the rear susp. fixture, why did go off the adjustable piece that holds the outer end of the trailing arm (whatsitcalled... come on guys, I've been out of this too long (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)) and not the chassis? Kinda ditto on the front. Since the top shock mount (camber plate) is adjustable... As long as the fixture is located in a know good chassis center point the tube chassis pickup point will be fine. Even the Celette has a location for both front and rear suspension adjustable locations. It should work fine. Yaroon, you need to start a thread and catch us up over here. We miss ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 28 2010, 01:23 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
In the rear I picked a zero degree camber neutral position, since all is adjustabe, I opted for this setup. Also the toe-in is a neutral position.
This way when I construct the new suspension pickup points, I Will have the same range of adjustability. In the Front, I did kind of the same. Chosen a neutral camber/ caster position but also kept the angle of the jigs exactly identical left and right to the exact degree. This Will again give me a neutral position with the possibility of adjustment. The Front Will have the tangerine racing camber boxes installed, however I am going to fit double wishbone suspension all around anyhow. The oem suspension points Will be on the chassis, only they Will not be used. They do not interfere with the wishbone setup and this way it is easy to revert back to just in case. Randall |
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| Jeroen |
Oct 28 2010, 05:54 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Does it need to keep the original suspension pickups for the RDW?
Chris's camberplates are nice. Those and his raised rear susp.kit are on my "got to get" list (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 28 2010, 07:50 AM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Oct 28 2010, 01:54 PM) Does it need to keep the original suspension pickups for the RDW? Chris's camberplates are nice. Those and his raised rear susp.kit are on my "got to get" list (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not sure if they need to be on there but it Will take little effort to keep the oem points on the chassis, they do not interfere And it will give me some ease of mind and work just in case they do not approve of the 4wd concept. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| hermantel |
Oct 29 2010, 03:39 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 19-July 09 From: netherlands Member No.: 10,581 Region Association: Europe |
Nice work
I am also restauring and builing a 914 1700 cc with a Subaru 2.0 liter EJ20 STI Turbo motor with 280 HP However I to use the old 415 gearbox. with motor adaptorplate and special flywheel Question 1: I am not sure if the standard clutch will hold out. Anyone experience with this? Should I use a special double clutch? Question 2: Also if there is a way to use the standard discs and breaks. Are they good enough? And if I would replace the head brake cilinder for a 911 one. Would that do the trick? I also want to use wheel adaptors from 4 logs to 5 logs to put 17" Porsche Boxer black Wheels. Are very light... Question 3: Is the force on the standard 914 bearings not to high for the 280 HP EJ20 Subaru Turbo motor? I sometimes heared that some people put 944 wheel insides and discs and brakes of a 944. Question 4: Has anyone experience with this kind of set up? The chassis I will put some fish grade enforcement pieces. I think that is stronger than welding just a straight plate ofer the rear frame of the car to make it more stiff against torsion. Or has anyone other suggestions? It does not has to become a master piece. Is just a fun car. However it has to be safe... I will not use it for racing or so...But still 280 HP is serious power...So I just want to know if I do not make an death trap...Haha.... Greetings from Herman from the Netherlands (Europe near Amsterdam) hermantel@gmail.com |
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| Hontec |
Oct 29 2010, 04:20 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(hermantel @ Oct 29 2010, 11:39 PM) Nice work I am also restauring and builing a 914 1700 cc with a Subaru 2.0 liter EJ20 STI Turbo motor with 280 HP However I to use the old 415 gearbox. with motor adaptorplate and special flywheel Question 1: I am not sure if the standard clutch will hold out. Anyone experience with this? Should I use a special double clutch? Question 2: Also if there is a way to use the standard discs and breaks. Are they good enough? And if I would replace the head brake cilinder for a 911 one. Would that do the trick? I also want to use wheel adaptors from 4 logs to 5 logs to put 17" Porsche Boxer black Wheels. Are very light... Question 3: Is the force on the standard 914 bearings not to high for the 280 HP EJ20 Subaru Turbo motor? I sometimes heared that some people put 944 wheel insides and discs and brakes of a 944. Question 4: Has anyone experience with this kind of set up? The chassis I will put some fish grade enforcement pieces. I think that is stronger than welding just a straight plate ofer the rear frame of the car to make it more stiff against torsion. Or has anyone other suggestions? It does not has to become a master piece. Is just a fun car. However it has to be safe... I will not use it for racing or so...But still 280 HP is serious power...So I just want to know if I do not make an death trap...Haha.... Greetings from Herman from the Netherlands (Europe near Amsterdam) hermantel@gmail.com Hello Herman, to answer some of your questions: 1- I am pretty sure you Will fry THE stock disc and that THE pressure plate Will not hold in THE long run 2- upgrade to 911, from 80 to 280 hp requires à brake upgrade, do not underestimate this......9!out of 10 do not upgrade with significantly more power being installed unfortunately 3- bearings Will be ok, use a 5 lug redrilled 914 or buy an expensive 914-6. I would use à redrilled with a 944 stub to have à larger cv joint. 4- I believe you van upgrade to 928-S4 with adapters Hope this helps some, best regards Randall |
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