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| draganc |
 Sep 27 2010, 12:22 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States  |
Randall,
That’s some great engineering you are sharing with us! I just hope you don’t get bored and scrap the project after you have proved it works! Where are you located in The Netherlands? I’m on and off to Duesseldorf/Aachen and would love to stop by with some Grolsch and talk about 914 stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tot ziens, Dragan |
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| Hontec |
Sep 27 2010, 03:01 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(draganc @ Sep 27 2010, 08:22 PM)  Randall, That’s some great engineering you are sharing with us! I just hope you don’t get bored and scrap the project after you have proved it works! Where are you located in The Netherlands? I’m on and off to Duesseldorf/Aachen and would love to stop by with some Grolsch and talk about 914 stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tot ziens, Dragan Thanks! I live in the south, next to volkel AFB. Düsseldorf and Aachen are closeby! I regularly go to NY, LA, Houston, Chicago and San Francisco! Should plan a trip when there is a 914 meeting somewhere near one of those places, should be fun! Best regards Randall |
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Sep 27 2010, 03:04 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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Eh, just let the locals know you are coming and they will plan something. Everywhere I have gone it seems we have been able to get a few fellow teeners together to do something. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Sep 27 2010, 03:10 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Hontec @ Sep 27 2010, 07:34 AM) QUOTE(phillstek @ Sep 27 2010, 02:11 PM) Hoe gaat het met u...echt goed werk op uw auto! When you get the guys from Spyker to make your carbon parts get them to make some for me also. Better yet, why not organize a group buy!? Phil Heel goed, dankjewel!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) About the fenders/hoods... The molds will be mine after this , so technically reproduction is possible....If it turns out the way I want to, I will seriously consider producing them... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) That would be awesome. Never hurts to have more places to go when needed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| draganc |
Sep 27 2010, 03:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE Thanks! I live in the south, next to volkel AFB. Düsseldorf and Aachen are closeby! I regularly go to NY, LA, Houston, Chicago and San Francisco! Should plan a trip when there is a 914 meeting somewhere near one of those places, should be fun! Best regards Randall Cool! I live in Princeton NJ, just about 45min south of NYC or north of Philly. Shoot me a PM once you are in town. Dragan |
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| Hontec |
Sep 27 2010, 04:03 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(draganc @ Sep 27 2010, 11:17 PM) QUOTE Thanks! I live in the south, next to volkel AFB. Düsseldorf and Aachen are closeby! I regularly go to NY, LA, Houston, Chicago and San Francisco! Should plan a trip when there is a 914 meeting somewhere near one of those places, should be fun! Best regards Randall Cool! I live in Princeton NJ, just about 45min south of NYC or north of Philly. Shoot me a PM once you are in town. Dragan Thanks, I will...you too!. |
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| Downunderman |
Oct 1 2010, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 852 Joined: 31-May 03 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 766 Region Association: Australia and New Zealand |
A serious outbreak of a new strain of DWD. Buy some golf clubs.
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| d914 |
Oct 1 2010, 02:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,333 Joined: 12-July 03 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 904 Region Association: South East States |
between this and anklebiter I'm not posting any more pics of my car build... in comaparision Im using bubblegum and bailing wire and a large hammer!!!!
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| Krieger |
Oct 1 2010, 03:47 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,754 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) but this thread can't be real. I think this is all just a photoshop hoax. Too good to be true (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Borderline |
Oct 2 2010, 02:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 8-February 05 From: San Juan Bautista, CA Member No.: 3,577 Region Association: Northern California |
WOW! You have more effort into your fixturing than most have their 914s. Very impressive! You do fantastic work.
I have a few questions: How are you locating your fixture points? Are you assuming that the existing chassis is straight and fixturing to the chassis as is? Or, are you measuring and squaring things up as you go? I remember when Sir Andy had his chassis on the cellete bench and how much work went in to straightening his chassis. What are your plans for suspension? It looks like you're going to continue with the strut type front suspension and semi-trailing arm in the rear. To me, a car this special deserves something special in the suspension department. Great work! Bill C |
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| Hontec |
Oct 2 2010, 02:26 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(Borderline @ Oct 2 2010, 10:07 PM) WOW! You have more effort into your fixturing than most have their 914s. Very impressive! You do fantastic work. I have a few questions: How are you locating your fixture points? Are you assuming that the existing chassis is straight and fixturing to the chassis as is? Or, are you measuring and squaring things up as you go? I remember when Sir Andy had his chassis on the cellete bench and how much work went in to straightening his chassis. What are your plans for suspension? It looks like you're going to continue with the strut type front suspension and semi-trailing arm in the rear. To me, a car this special deserves something special in the suspension department. Great work! Bill C Bill, Thank you very much. I'm using a mix of both methods, I know for a fact that this chassis is as straight as it will ever come and I constantly measure everything with reference to the fixture. As we speak i have around 2mm of difference. I can tell you after working on modern race and rally cars for many years, the 2mm I have now is way less than most of what I've seen on modern cars, long live adjustable suspension. talking about suspension; I've been seriously toying around with the idea of making this a 4wd car, let's call it the 914 4S.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I have bought a 964 carrera4 front suspension and I'm going to see how that will fit into the 914 chassis. there is a company in Australia that makes a reversed ring&pinion so you can flip the diff in the Subaru transmission and put it in "Porsche"style. for that setup I would use all subaru driveline, for the simple reason the porsche's is about 10x more expensive and also weighs in 6 times more. Subaru driveline parts are abundant and readily available. The rear suspension I'm in doubt. I am definately going to raise the rear suspension 2 inches for geometry but also temted to install the carrera4 rear suspension. If I go 2wd, I will raise the rear pickup points as well, with the stock 914 reinforced trailing arms and the front will be ERP Schocks will be almost certainly fox, but I also know the guys at Intrax and Proflex..... Thanks Randall |
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| Dr Evil |
Oct 2 2010, 02:56 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,032 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I love this thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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| Hontec |
Oct 2 2010, 04:03 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
Thanks! few more jigs to construct and then I can have it powdercoated, then the chassis will be media blasted and then finally I can start cutting and build her back up... That will keep me busy during the wintertime... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| FourBlades |
Oct 2 2010, 04:31 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States
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Do you position the jig attachment points to match your car or do you rely on factory measurements of where they are supposed to be? Do you weld up the attachment jigs with the end points bolted in place or do you build them off the jig and then bolt them on? Is the jig tig welded or mig welded? Thanks for posting this thread, it is teaching us all a lot. John |
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| Hontec |
Oct 2 2010, 05:03 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(FourBlades @ Oct 3 2010, 12:31 AM) Do you position the jig attachment points to match your car or do you rely on factory measurements of where they are supposed to be? Do you weld up the attachment jigs with the end points bolted in place or do you build them off the jig and then bolt them on? Is the jig tig welded or mig welded? Thanks for posting this thread, it is teaching us all a lot. John Hello John I do a bit of both, I project every point on the jig and compare it to the other side. This results in a difference of 2mm which is well within limits for a car this age. Again; this car is exceptionally straight and has no major repairs done on it. The only thing that was repaired was the front end, it shows bad sheetmetal denting below the front trunk lock. Every line/gap on the car flows evenly and since the difference is so small, and I am building this rig for this car to be modified, I am extremely certain about this way of work. Everything is mig welded. I weld everything on the jig in it's intended position. I first completely spotweld the structure ( this helps minimize pulling and warping when welding) and then I fully weld every place I can reach, stil with the whole structure in place. After that I take the jig off and weld the hard to reach places ( very few in general) then I testfit again to the intended position( I wait to remove the jig until fully cooled down, so the metal will mostly return to it's intended shape) This method results in the least discrepancies when welding the jigs, naturally the metal tends to warp a tiny bit but after I place it back, I recheck the fit and if nescessary I adapt. Again, a minor offset is unavoidable but it is so small, it can all be corrected in setting up suspension. Try to measure your modern car, you will be shocked... When the chassis has been mediablasted, I will put her back on the rig, assemble every jig, install the roof and the doors, check everything again and after I am pleased, start cutting out the inner section. |
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| J P Stein |
Oct 2 2010, 05:09 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
The 2nd worst point of the 914 (with the chassis being worst) is the suspension.
With the amount of work you are putting into it, double A arms at both ends wouldn't be much of a streatch.....but that is just my opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Hontec |
Oct 2 2010, 05:17 PM
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I see things..... Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 23-September 10 From: Netherlands Member No.: 12,210 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Oct 3 2010, 01:09 AM) The 2nd worst point of the 914 (with the chassis being worst) is the suspension. With the amount of work you are putting into it, double A arms at both ends wouldn't be much of a streatch.....but that is just my opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You are so true!, hence my first attempt will be to try and fit a Carrera4 front suspension......just to satisfy my curiosity.... If I pull it off to make it fit, i will move on to the rear. Only thing holding me back is that I will have to bring the car in for a full test/inspection which will most likely result in them giving me new plates and the car not being registered as aclassic anymore. That's all because I want to keep it roadlegal. On the other hand, there is a lot of working space, since the car is so old. This gives me a certain degree of freedom.....pffffff laws, laws.... I have also cooked up a plan using lotus elise double wishbone setup.......but for now I'm going to first try the carrera setup... |
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| FourBlades |
Oct 2 2010, 05:32 PM
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From Wreck to Rockin Group: Members Posts: 2,056 Joined: 3-December 07 From: Brevard, FL Member No.: 8,414 Region Association: South East States
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Thanks for the answers. I would love to make a jig like that for restoring rusty 914s without warping them like pretzels. That answers a lot of my questions. It makes sense that most cars are off a bit, they have so many rubber bushings in their suspension and most people want a quiet, comfortable ride. John |
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