Shall I say...SIX?, costs, plus' and minus' of conversion Options

[Rusty]

The price to rebuild a small 6: 10-12k. price to rebuild a 3.0 and up: 10-12k

The small engines look good up front because they are normally REALLY cheap.  Porsche changed when they released the 3.0. Quality went WAY up.

Unless you are governed by some racing rules or building a car for a specific class.. run a 3.0/3.2/3.6.

I also factor in driveability. An injected 3.0/3.2/3.6 quickly becomes a awesome daily driver with enough balls to run with just about anything being produced today and still get decent gas mileage.

Those prices must factor shop labor. If it's going to cost 10-12k to rebuild a small /6, then I'll just take my car to the junkyard when I come back stateside, and just buy a Honda.

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

[Trekkor]

Pg. 51 June '04 Panorama-

Motor Meister
rebuild kits
2.0-2.7=$599
3.0-3.2=$649

Complete rebuilt long block 3.6 =$5495 exch.

I want to run my 2.0? and then save my money and look for a fire breathing six bomb.

[IronHillRestorations]

[1. Rebuild the existing motor, bored out cylinders to 2.2, solex cams and custom JE pistons. A bit of headwork will help make it flow. Add piston squirters, the oil bypass mod and other clean-up machine work, and I'm in the 6-7k range for the motor I think.

2. Buy another used motor outright (up to 2.7), and box up the stock motor for a future project.

We all know how I feel about FI. :finger2:

By the time you do all the machine work upgrading the (basically) 1969T engine, you may as well find a good 2.2E or S core and build it. In the long run it would probably cost you less.

I'm no FI expert, but I'll tell you that a 3.2 with Motronic is the way to go with large displacement 914's. I feel very competent and comfortable tuning Webers, but I'd trade that skill for reliable, no back firing when cold, turn the key and go, Motronic.

The Motronic system isn't like the 914 FI system. Have you ever drove a 914 with a 3.2 Motronic engine??? It would change your tune (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

But it's your car and your $$, you need to do what makes you get wood.

PK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Brad Roberts]

He doesnt know about MM.


B

[ArtechnikA]

Motor Meister
rebuild kits
2.0-2.7=$599
3.0-3.2=$649

Complete rebuilt long block 3.6 =$5495 exch.

find out *exactly* what's in those "rebuild kits" - sounds like it's just a gasket kit, rod bearings, and rod bolts. MAYBE rings.

find out EXACTLY what MM puts in their "complete rebuilt long block"...

[Trekkor]

He doesnt know about MM.

It's true I don't know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I'm a know knothing knothead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ...Today.

Tell me what I need to know.

[seanery]

I talked to those guys (MotorMeister) before I started the conversion process on bluecar. They use and are proud of using, used parts. They feel those are better? I was turned off by them, then discussed them with folks in the LA area and decided it was best to forget they exist.

[Trekkor]

Are you saying they sell used: bearings, rings, gaskets, etc. as a rebuild kit?

Not likely. Esp if they are a consistant advertiser in Pano. ( $$$ )

Stranger things do happen...I know this to be true.

[Brad Roberts]

He said:

They use and are proud of using, used parts

They like to reuse old cylinders/pistons/rods/rod bolts... everything Porsche recommends you replace.

You get what you pay for. It ranks right up there with their *rebuilt* trannies. They collect semi worn used parts and *rebuild* trannies with them.

They sell new bearings/seals.


B

[Air_Cooled_Nut]

Though Porsche is my #1 car, a Ferrari would be a worthy stallion for my stable. I look at the Ferrari engine and it looks gorgeous, especially those with the red textured valve covers. That's what I think of when I hear Ferrari. Heck, I'd be happy with a mock engine (gutless) as a base for a glass table. It's the engine. When I think of Ferrari I think of a beautiful car with a gorgeous Ferrari engine, not a Ferrari body with a common Chevy or Mazda or Subaru engine.

So, when it comes to Porsches, they gotta have the Porsche engine. Now I know the history of the little 914 and even though they did come with the VW four-banger my head, my soul, thinks of the 914 as a true Porsche sports car that has the six-banger powerplant. Open the bonnet and bask in the glow of a pure-Porsche sixer. How could you ever stop smiling?

I say go to the expense and install the six. You can always swap something bigger once the current loans are paid for (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Do it for the purity, the passion, and the self-gratifying oohs-n-aaaahs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Okay, before feathers get ruffled about the 4-banger...I have a rebuilt 2.0L, stock FI (FI is superior to carbs and the path I choose to drive) in my 914. My Squareback has a BUILT air-cooled engine (carbed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ). It's fun to give the snooty V8 crowd and punk rice boyz in Mummy&Daddy's pimp-mobile a serious run for their money in a powerful four-banger, heck yeah. But for my 914 (if I had the $$$) I would definitely drop in a 2.0L six-banger. It's all about the soul.

[Trekkor]

I ran into a little snag on the test oil line fitting today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

One end is the wrong size. Oh well. I'll look tomorrow.

On a positve note, I drove a friend's Boxter today.
He just got new tires and it was blast. It has the 2.7 with the 5 speed.
The sound and the power of the six was AWESOME. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

I am going to make every effort to do this project.
The actual transplant, motor checks out O.K., will be after a/x and into winter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[McMark]

Come on trekkor, you're slow! Vroom, vroom!

[Gint]

When people say: "The small engines are fine" I immediately ask them if they have ever ridden in a 3.0 or 3.2 powered 914. 99% of the time the answer is NO.

The small engines are fine. Yes, I've driven a 3.2 powered 914. But it's your car, do what you want with it.

Here's the thing Trekkor. You got a decent deal on a running small 6. Do the conversion, pop in the motor, and if you want more power later, All you need do is find a lareger motor and fork over the $$$.

[Trekkor]

Vroom Vroom is right. We started that thing...Tonight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

Mark thanks for your help...again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)

Had to shim out the VW bus bell housing to get the starter gear off the flywheel after start-up..

Carbs need rebuilding...No surprise there.
Fired right up though and revved up. I'm very satisfied.

All you SIX nuts, help me with this.
Weber 40IDA's have 55 idles, 30 chokes and 180's visible down the sight hole ( emulsion tube stack? )

We made a video of the intial start and run ( with flywheel clatter ) . Mark will post it tomorrow night for your entertainment. I wish we shot some footage after some tweaking. The first couple of minute were...well, rather smokey. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Anyway, progress. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif)

Cheer me on!

KT

[Randal]

Remember that Larry Sharp's little 914 6 - 2.0 used to clean up at GGR autox two/ three years ago.

He knew how to drive and had a solid car.

[Trekkor]

here

[Trekkor]

yeah, baby!

[nebreitling]

awesome, trekkor. your face in that picture says it all!

i say find a way to keep that exhaust as is! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

[McMark]

The exhaust would be easy to install as is, just take out the rear window. The only thing is I don't think a SuperTrapp 3 inches from your ear is a great idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) Now if he could turn it around, that might be cool.

[Root_Werks]

Good job locating an engine Trekkor! Now just put the thing in your 914 and enjoy. Don't listen to people who are talking 3.0/3.2/3.6. The engines cost money, a lot of money. You now have a six to put in. Do it, drive it until something better comes along that you can afford.

Congrats! Looks great! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

If you need anthything that I can help with, let me know. I would be willing to help out with my back yard bob 914-6 tin, bell crank throttle linkage and muffler bracket if you like.

Sweat! Another 914 will be a six soon! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)