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post Jan 8 2011, 02:08 AM
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am I wrong here? should I bit the bullit and pay for the return shipping inthe hopes that a refund will come?

I wish I had phone transcripts from teh various calls that go with this email string. there are more emails I did not post here yet.
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post Jan 8 2011, 05:27 AM
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A big thanks to sean to posting your findings with this header.
I was seriously looking into getting one of these and am very hapy i waited.
I hope your posting this up doesnt harm your case for refund but you seem to have done all the right things and have been screwed.
Hope it goes well.
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post Jan 8 2011, 07:19 AM
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Tangerine all the way for me!! Thats the way I want to go, but just can't afford it now, the exhaust cost more than my entire car when I bought it in the early 1990's, but from what I heard from others everybody seems really pleased. It would be incredible to see an awesome Tangerine exhaust kit go for around the $ 995 dollar mark if this is possible... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)
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post Jan 8 2011, 07:22 AM
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You're wasting your time Sean.
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post Jan 8 2011, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(nsr-jamie @ Jan 8 2011, 08:19 AM) *

Tangerine all the way for me!! Thats the way I want to go, but just can't afford it now, the exhaust cost more than my entire car when I bought it in the early 1990's, but from what I heard from others everybody seems really pleased. It would be incredible to see an awesome Tangerine exhaust kit go for around the $ 995 dollar mark if this is possible... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

I just priced up fabricating a custom exhaust for a (Porsche 993 bodied) mid-engined 6 cyl. race car at over $10K. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
The Tangerine EVO exhaust is a bargain at the current price. and is likely to get more expensive in the near future. If I can't earn a buck making them they won't be available to anyone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Why would the price you paid for the car almost 20 years ago have anything to do with how much you're willing to spend on premium performance parts for the car now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Jan 8 2011, 09:15 AM
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Someone needs to pay this asshat a visit and talk to the guy in person.
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post Jan 8 2011, 09:24 AM
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Someone needs to pay this asshat a visit and talk to the guy in person.


+1. Can't say I'm surprised, but they should pay return shipping for their product that was defective right out of the box.
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post Jan 8 2011, 09:35 AM
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I have seen what goes into making a custom exhaust like what Tangerine racing offers. I have installed Chris' header before on customer cars and saw bob butler make the headers for teh Herkilis twin turbo project. at the price foley sells it is a bargain and the dyno doesnt lie
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post Jan 8 2011, 09:54 AM
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Sean,

What does the collector look like (pics) and are there any slip fittings on that OBX unit, or is that thing welded up solid and that far off?

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post Jan 8 2011, 10:33 AM
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the obx racing parts depot porsche 914 header has a slip fit collector. there are 2 major problems. the first is teh alignment of teh attachment tabs relative t the oval shape or the exhaust port. the clocking is off. wrong aproach angle to the head mounting flanges


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post Jan 8 2011, 10:40 AM
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i am sure there is a diff in price - but having header stubs has got to be a very valuable plus as the heads studs don't like to the FFFFed with too much.
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post Jan 8 2011, 10:52 AM
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Sean I agree with Chris you are wasting your time.The Chinese business culture is to deny all problems and make it up with cheap prices and exchanges.It appears from the email exchange you are dealing with someone from another culture.

Chris do you still sell the economy version of the Tangerine with the Magna Flow muffler?
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post Jan 8 2011, 11:24 AM
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Chris do you still sell the economy version of the Tangerine with the Magna Flow muffler?

Yes.
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post Jan 8 2011, 08:59 PM
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Sean, PM sent to you ...check it out . This may help with your satisfaction quest.
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post Jan 8 2011, 09:39 PM
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Sean, those are definitely counterfeits of our MSDS type 4 headers that we build for A/A. Am I impressed that they copied them ...absolutely not. When Weapon -R (OBX's buddies) counterfeited the MSDS V6 Ford shorty headers , we spent lots of cash in court to get a cease and desist. Same thing like your dilema: Good parts aren't cheap / and Cheap parts aren't good. Everyone that bought the fake V6 headers had dangerous exhaust leaks, egr's that didn't align, and countless "Fix-it" forums with Home Depot parts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Go to any SEMA show and you will be amazed by how many creepy businesses are allowed into this organization, that prey upon their fellow members, at the blind eye of the SEMA directors. Hope you get satisfaction, it will take some doing.
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post Jan 8 2011, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(DanT @ Jan 7 2011, 02:08 PM) *

I ran a version of the Euro Race headers that are also sold by Paragon Products...
Mine were ceramic coated inside and out, ran very well on my D-jetted 2056 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
4 into one collector...each individual header pipe is bolted up to a stub pipe and then into the collector...easy to mount and align that way.


I wish my Euro headers still looked that nice! Mine came with the car and have a ton of surface rust. Installed by a PO, probably about 5 years ago? I need to take them off and clean them up.
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post Jan 11 2011, 06:10 PM
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Any word back from the fine folks (rats) at OBX?
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post Jan 11 2011, 10:26 PM
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post Jan 12 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(914rat @ Jan 8 2011, 08:52 AM) *

Sean I agree with Chris you are wasting your time.The Chinese business culture is to deny all problems and make it up with cheap prices and exchanges. It appears from the email exchange you are dealing with someone from another culture.


Ahh, brings back memories from when I lived in the Philippines years ago dealing with vendors. It's a simple 3 step process really. . .

1. You begin a conversation with the person but they are only using half their brain.

2. Half way through the conversation that half goes to sleep and the other half takes over.

3. Go back to step #1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Good Luck with that one.
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post Jan 12 2011, 02:58 PM
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Either pay for the CFR and get quality or buy the ccc and get nothing. (cheap chinese crap) They copied someone's design and did a cheap knockoff According to Marty Schneider it does not fit very well, and they did not do much research about hp like Chris did.


QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Jan 5 2011, 05:25 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ Jan 5 2011, 05:23 PM) *

I like stub pipes as much as the next 914 owner, but a set of stub pipes by themselves from Tangerine cost more than this entire header.

Rule of thumb:
You get what you pay for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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