Pictures of Our 2 914's, Wife & I Doing 2 Restorations 1970 & 1976 914 Options

[Tom_T]

[size=3]Here are a few pics that I said I would share for thoughts & input on doing restoration to our 2 Porsche's 1970 Yello & 1976 Brown. Thanks for the support & help. We will start by sending to our mechanic the first week of March 2011...wifes first, hers is the 76'. Will update with pics and things done/completed along the way. Thanks,

Mike & Theresa (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Look for original paint on both 914s under the carpets, up under the dash, inner thresholds/longitudinals, behind the gas tank & interior & exterior firewall pads, the drip pan on the engine lid, uo in the slots where the targa top rear latches are on the roll-bar, etc. for hints of the original colors where a repaint might not have reached (unless they did a full strip down & repaint), to verify the original color - esp. on the 76. These areas are also likely to be largely unfaded (door jambs are too easy to repaint, so not as reliable).

I agree that it doesn't look like a Sepia Brown, and it looks like a metallic paint.

Also, there is an outside chance that a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) from Porsche Cars North America (PCNA) may actually list the original "98" color chosen by the OO/1st buyer, depending on how complete the Kardex factory records were (and whether the PCNA-COA staff reads the codes right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). This will also tell you if the engine and transaxle case nos. still match the original (photo them first to verify & send).

Porches Club of America (PCA) also gets $20 or so off the $100+ COA cost, as well as several 20% off orders from Porsche a year & a monthly national & local magazine - so well worth $42/yr. for you & wife IMHO - aside from their various events. I wasn't a member until I started a resto of my 73 914-2.0 in 09, but it's been well worth it to me, and many on here have been long time members - even back when the PCA's 356/911/912/etc. snobs turned their noses up at 914s. Nowadays most think they're cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Here's other sources for the early 1970's colors for 914s (along with other references such on here at the 914 info above - so cruise around those websites). They also might help you on your work on the 914s - so go to their respective home pages & peruse their other sections (esp. Bowlsby's, rennlist & p914), as well as for finding the actual color once you find an unfaded & unchanged paint area as noted above.

http://www.bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PaintFabrics.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_70.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_76.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibl...aintFabrics.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914Colors.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914ColorMatrix.gif
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=colors
http://homepage.mac.com/markd/914/colors.html
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=39488&st=0
http://www.glasurit.com/en_UK/COLOR/Classi...olors/index.xml
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/volkswagen.html
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/Porsche.html

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[badboybear]

What's the paint code on the wife's 76, front door jamb, if it's really a brown could be a special order (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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The '76 could be special order color, which is quite rare! Sepia Brown? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

To Ferg & Sir Andy...2 questions maybe you can answer?

1. Is it possible that the color of our 76 914 is a copper metallic brown, from the factory. Code is 98 but after Ferg sent pics of all the "Brown Colors" we believe it is just that copper metallic brown...we rechecked the color code plate it in our opinion has NOT been removed or painted over as well as the sticker with the month/year and serial number. Is it possible & if so how do we add it to the overall color chart for 914's

2. If we want to do the rebuild of the engines/trannies ourselves (we have most all the equipment) how hard is it...we're half intelligent...well somedays more than others, LOL.

Thanks guys

[badboybear]

[size=3]Here are a few pics that I said I would share for thoughts & input on doing restoration to our 2 Porsche's 1970 Yello & 1976 Brown. Thanks for the support & help. We will start by sending to our mechanic the first week of March 2011...wifes first, hers is the 76'. Will update with pics and things done/completed along the way. Thanks,

Mike & Theresa (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Look for original paint on both 914s under the carpets, up under the dash, inner thresholds/longitudinals, behind the gas tank & interior & exterior firewall pads, the drip pan on the engine lid, uo in the slots where the targa top rear latches are on the roll-bar, etc. for hints of the original colors where a repaint might not have reached (unless they did a full strip down & repaint), to verify the original color - esp. on the 76. These areas are also likely to be largely unfaded (door jambs are too easy to repaint, so not as reliable).

I agree that it doesn't look like a Sepia Brown, and it looks like a metallic paint.

Also, there is an outside chance that a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) from Porsche Cars North America (PCNA) may actually list the original "98" color chosen by the OO/1st buyer, depending on how complete the Kardex factory records were (and whether the PCNA-COA staff reads the codes right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). This will also tell you if the engine and transaxle case nos. still match the original (photo them first to verify & send).

Porches Club of America (PCA) also gets $20 or so off the $100+ COA cost, as well as several 20% off orders from Porsche a year & a monthly national & local magazine - so well worth $42/yr. for you & wife IMHO - aside from their various events. I wasn't a member until I started a resto of my 73 914-2.0 in 09, but it's been well worth it to me, and many on here have been long time members - even back when the PCA's 356/911/912/etc. snobs turned their noses up at 914s. Nowadays most think they're cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Here's other sources for the early 1970's colors for 914s (along with other references such on here at the 914 info above - so cruise around those websites). They also might help you on your work on the 914s - so go to their respective home pages & peruse their other sections (esp. Bowlsby's, rennlist & p914), as well as for finding the actual color once you find an unfaded & unchanged paint area as noted above.

http://www.bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PaintFabrics.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_70.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_76.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibl...aintFabrics.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914Colors.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914ColorMatrix.gif
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=colors
http://homepage.mac.com/markd/914/colors.html
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=39488&st=0
http://www.glasurit.com/en_UK/COLOR/Classi...olors/index.xml
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/volkswagen.html
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/Porsche.html

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Tom, Ferg sent us alot of "Brown" 911 carcolors. We beleive it is a "Copper Metallic Brown" we looked everywhere and it is the same, like you indicated above...the color code tag has not been removed nor has the sticker that indicates the month/year build. If it is how can we confirm and add to new color for a 914?

Mike

[badboybear]

[size=3]Here are a few pics that I said I would share for thoughts & input on doing restoration to our 2 Porsche's 1970 Yello & 1976 Brown. Thanks for the support & help. We will start by sending to our mechanic the first week of March 2011...wifes first, hers is the 76'. Will update with pics and things done/completed along the way. Thanks,

Mike & Theresa (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Look for original paint on both 914s under the carpets, up under the dash, inner thresholds/longitudinals, behind the gas tank & interior & exterior firewall pads, the drip pan on the engine lid, uo in the slots where the targa top rear latches are on the roll-bar, etc. for hints of the original colors where a repaint might not have reached (unless they did a full strip down & repaint), to verify the original color - esp. on the 76. These areas are also likely to be largely unfaded (door jambs are too easy to repaint, so not as reliable).

I agree that it doesn't look like a Sepia Brown, and it looks like a metallic paint.

Also, there is an outside chance that a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) from Porsche Cars North America (PCNA) may actually list the original "98" color chosen by the OO/1st buyer, depending on how complete the Kardex factory records were (and whether the PCNA-COA staff reads the codes right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). This will also tell you if the engine and transaxle case nos. still match the original (photo them first to verify & send).

Porches Club of America (PCA) also gets $20 or so off the $100+ COA cost, as well as several 20% off orders from Porsche a year & a monthly national & local magazine - so well worth $42/yr. for you & wife IMHO - aside from their various events. I wasn't a member until I started a resto of my 73 914-2.0 in 09, but it's been well worth it to me, and many on here have been long time members - even back when the PCA's 356/911/912/etc. snobs turned their noses up at 914s. Nowadays most think they're cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Here's other sources for the early 1970's colors for 914s (along with other references such on here at the 914 info above - so cruise around those websites). They also might help you on your work on the 914s - so go to their respective home pages & peruse their other sections (esp. Bowlsby's, rennlist & p914), as well as for finding the actual color once you find an unfaded & unchanged paint area as noted above.

http://www.bowlsby.net/914/Classic/PaintFabrics.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_70.htm
http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_76.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibl...aintFabrics.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914Colors.htm
http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914ColorMatrix.gif
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=colors
http://homepage.mac.com/markd/914/colors.html
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=39488&st=0
http://www.glasurit.com/en_UK/COLOR/Classi...olors/index.xml
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/volkswagen.html
http://autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/Porsche.html

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Tom, Ferg sent us alot of "Brown" 911 carcolors. We beleive it is a "Copper Metallic Brown" we looked everywhere and it is the same, like you indicated above...the color code tag has not been removed nor has the sticker that indicates the month/year build. If it is how can we confirm and add to new color for a 914?

Mike

She has the #501 Cinnamon letherette interior that is for sure....thanks again for all the websites

[badboybear]

BROWN RULES (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) I'd would need to see some more pics, not sure it's Sepia, maybe a door jamb close up that's not faded...?

Sepia is a very milky light brown, IMO that looks much closer to Copper Brown Metallic a 76 912/911 color.

Here is Sepia


Here is Copper Brown Metallic


Ferg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

See our last post to you & Sir Andy...comments?

[SirAndy]

Tom, Ferg sent us alot of "Brown" 911 carcolors. We beleive it is a "Copper Metallic Brown" we looked everywhere and it is the same, like you indicated above...the color code tag has not been removed nor has the sticker that indicates the month/year build. If it is how can we confirm and add to new color for a 914?

Mike,
post a picture of the door jamb tag with the paint code and a picture of the original paint where it is the most vivid. Any otherwise protected area, good lighting and a little bit of cleaning should result in a good image of the paint.

A picture of the date code sticker in the door jamb would also help.

That should be enough to confirm that we have indeed found a new 98 code!
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[badboybear]

Two great projects ! Hope to you can bring both 914's to the WCR in Medford, OR in June.

Here's a link to the event, if it's like the last WCR held in Oregon, there will be a big turnout.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108997

Jim what are the dates for this event...thanks!

[badboybear]

I know those 2 cars. Looked at them a few times in Junction City. I am just down in Corvallis if you need anything. The yellow was repainted & isn't the original color anyway. It is a decent paint job though so no real reason to paint it right away. You hve your work ahead of you with them. The yellow one is not as big a resto though. I think the brown one had some issues with the passenger side rear quarter.

Are these your first 914's? If so you have no idea what sickness has taken hold of you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif)

Yes these are our first ones but we think we got an ok deal...LOL, time will tell. We can use all the help we can get. Is it possible to contact you by phone? If not what about email. We think the 76 has a custom color...one to be added to the list? We know about the rust issues....are they that bad? Our friend owns an auto body & paint here in Salem.,.says they can be fixed. learned about the "Hell Hole" right away...yikes. Any help or thoughts is very much appreciated.

Mike & Theresa
503-385-7096

[JRust]

Good to talk to you Mike. Nice to have some more teeners close by too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . I was thinking this sunday afternoon might work if you wanted to come down. Otherwise it will be a few weeks.

Sounds like you have some good friends that can do the hell hole work too. That is a huge bonus. Talk to you soon

[Tom_T]

Tom, Ferg sent us alot of "Brown" 911 carcolors. We beleive it is a "Copper Metallic Brown" we looked everywhere and it is the same, like you indicated above...the color code tag has not been removed nor has the sticker that indicates the month/year build. If it is how can we confirm and add to new color for a 914?

Mike

She has the #501 Cinnamon letherette interior that is for sure....thanks again for all the websites

Mike, you can add a description, color info and a pic of each 914, under the "My Controls" section under the Personal Profile at Add/Edit VINs. I think Sir Andy does the color chart additions, so send him the pix he asked for in his message above.

With that unique special order color, I'd keep to the same in your resto if I were you - esp. if it's still the original engine in it, and of course if you can convince your wife to like the color cuz her car is so special! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

My 73 2.0 has the earlier version of that color with a little less of the darker "cinnamon swirl" highlights - then called "Beige" leatherette & basketweave (#502 & #501), as they changed the fabrics from 73-74 to 75-76.

[badboybear]

Good to talk to you Mike. Nice to have some more teeners close by too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . I was thinking this sunday afternoon might work if you wanted to come down. Otherwise it will be a few weeks.

Sounds like you have some good friends that can do the hell hole work too. That is a huge bonus. Talk to you soon

Thanks Jamey, nice chatting with you as well. Will respond to you in the private email portion. Thanks again and look forward to learning from you & others.

M&T914

[badboybear]

Tom, Ferg sent us alot of "Brown" 911 carcolors. We beleive it is a "Copper Metallic Brown" we looked everywhere and it is the same, like you indicated above...the color code tag has not been removed nor has the sticker that indicates the month/year build. If it is how can we confirm and add to new color for a 914?

Mike

She has the #501 Cinnamon letherette interior that is for sure....thanks again for all the websites

Mike, you can add a description, color info and a pic of each 914, under the "My Controls" section under the Personal Profile at Add/Edit VINs. I think Sir Andy does the color chart additions, so send him the pix he asked for in his message above.

With that unique special order color, I'd keep to the same in your resto if I were you - esp. if it's still the original engine in it, and of course if you can convince your wife to like the color cuz her car is so special! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

My 73 2.0 has the earlier version of that color with a little less of the darker "cinnamon swirl" highlights - then called "Beige" leatherette & basketweave (#502 & #501), as they changed the fabrics from 73-74 to 75-76.

Thanks Tom...after I cleaned polished an area so we could post pics...she LOVES the color & understands how special her car is, she will keep it original...the motor is original as well. Still learning the controls, etc to navigate around in here...we posted pics last night hopefully sirandy sees them?

M&T914

[jt914-6]

By the way what is a "Side Shift" for the 5 speed tranny?

Thanks much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

The side shift tranny came in '73.....'70-72 had the "tail shift".....refers to the shift rod location on the tranny....

[badboybear]

By the way what is a "Side Shift" for the 5 speed tranny?

Thanks much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

The side shift tranny came in '73.....'70-72 had the "tail shift".....refers to the shift rod location on the tranny....

Thanks....Jrust explained it to me last night, you guys are awesome the way you help out. We can't wait to get ours running. We'll be attending our first event in JUne in Medford, OR at the WCR event...YEA!!! Thanks again jt! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

[Ferg]

Sounds like Copper Brown Metallic is going to be correct, it's a 76 color and with the "98" in the door could have been ordered. Looking forward to the door jamb pic.

[badboybear]

Sounds like Copper Brown Metallic is going to be correct, it's a 76 color and with the "98" in the door could have been ordered. Looking forward to the door jamb pic.

See attached pic...912/912 E Copper Brown Diamond Metallic, hopefully this is it? Thanks

[Ferg]

Sounds like Copper Brown Metallic is going to be correct, it's a 76 color and with the "98" in the door could have been ordered. Looking forward to the door jamb pic.

See attached pic...912/912 E Copper Brown Diamond Metallic, hopefully this is it? Thanks

It looks good in the sun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif)

[Tom_T]

By the way what is a "Side Shift" for the 5 speed tranny?

Thanks much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

The side shift tranny came in '73.....'70-72 had the "tail shift".....refers to the shift rod location on the tranny....

FYI, the tailshifters can be converted to a side shift with the proper hardware, cuz the case is the same. That said, if your 70 is original & matching nos. that you want to keep as OE, then I'd recco you not convert it, but just do new bushings, etc. (if needed) to tighten up the action a bit, but you'll still be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) for gears in an early tailshifter. It's literally where the shift bar goes into the transaxle - in the far back, or on the pass. side.

Also FYI, the 914's transaxle was converted from the rear engined 911/912 with the "914 tail" pointing forward, which was the shortest distance to the tranny on a taildragger, but they initially never bothered to change it when flipped 180 degrees in the middie 914s, and just made a long-assed/multi-bend shifter rod to reach it. After many complaints about the sloppy shifting on the early 914/4s & 914-6's, VW-Porsche finally decided to do what they could've and should've done in the first place, and put the shifter on the R-side, which is the closest point to the cockpit on a mid-engined car with a motor in front of the rear-drive transaxle (the transmission is actually in front of the "differential" in this combo. case).

[badboybear]

By the way what is a "Side Shift" for the 5 speed tranny?

Thanks much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

The side shift tranny came in '73.....'70-72 had the "tail shift".....refers to the shift rod location on the tranny....

Also the tailshifters can be converted to a side shift with the proper hardware, cuz the case is the same. That said, if your 70 is original & matching nos. that you want to keep as OE, then I'd recco you not convert it, but just do new bushings, etc. (if needed) to tighten up the action a bit, but you'll still be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) for gears in an early tailshifter.

Thanks Tom, we are keeping both cars as original as possible. Beleive we found the correct color for wifes car. Hoping to start here in week of so to remove engines/trannies, etc and start rebuild of wifes first. Get body over to our friend to start on resto portion. Do you know who, what or where to find replace/repair piece for HELL HOLE, was told you can buy but can't find any info. Again thanks so much and appreciate hearing from you.

M&T914

[Mike Bellis]

Restoration Design has all the body parts you need