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| brant |
 Jul 30 2011, 08:33 PM
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914 Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 11,643 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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This is a great thread Joe
I'm very slowly doing the same conversion I still need to collect the 2.2core that you have found I have the carbs, 2.2E pistons, 70.4crank and rods to make a med-high compression 2.4 out of it. I've been collecting conversion parts for a couple of years now and want to upgrade my bar style mount and also find/build the motor still. Otherwise I think I have all of the parts collected. brant |
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| Series9 |
Jul 30 2011, 09:02 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Jul 30 2011, 04:27 PM)  I'm not positive this will fit, but it was cheap so I bought it on spec. 3.2L intake manifold for $200! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Well, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. The seller is trying to back out by saying "I accidentally listed it twice and it sold yesterday." Maybe I'll fabricate my first manifold...... |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Jul 31 2011, 04:43 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
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| jd74914 |
Jul 31 2011, 05:25 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Jul 30 2011, 10:02 PM) Maybe I'll fabricate my first manifold...... BTDT, its not too hard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm really looking forward to seeing this build... |
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| Series9 |
Jul 31 2011, 06:30 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Jul 31 2011, 06:43 PM) I have the engine on the way... |
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| SLITS |
Jul 31 2011, 06:39 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
Hey Joe, I will look and see if I have a complete 73.5 2.4L CIS set up for the nominal price of $100 minus a $95 discount 'cause your such a good guy. Remember that the injectors are set in the heads on these early engines (MFI too) and not in the manifold runners like the later 2.7s and up. I could also come up with a 2.7L CIS system too.
Both systems will be minus the fuel accumulator and filter assembly. Oh, the Brown Turd I did was a 2.4 CIS motor. I like and understand CIS (almost). If you get in a real pinch, I have the following exhaust ,,, Craigslist sellers don't take real good photos. I have $400 into them ($300 + got nailed $100 freight). I thought they were bolted together, but .... "That's the Rest of the Story". Was gonna have them cut and the appropriate collectors and flanges put back on them.    At the price, it's very close to a new set of headers. For shipping I would cut the crossover pipe and it would lower the shipping into a reasonable range. |
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| sixnotfour |
Jul 31 2011, 07:58 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,440 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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headers have no heat , So you are 1 up even if they are riverside nos
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| bcheney |
Jul 31 2011, 08:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,341 Joined: 16-November 03 From: Orlando, FL Member No.: 1,348 Region Association: South East States |
My glass is half full...Not sure how much I would bet that this can be done though. If you're only converting drivetrain and are only concerned with getting it running...then I think you have a legit chance of being successful. What I've found is that all the small items eat up conversion budgets. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to seeing it run!
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| Series9 |
Aug 1 2011, 09:41 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Jul 31 2011, 08:39 PM) Hey Joe, I will look and see if I have a complete 73.5 2.4L CIS set up for the nominal price of $100 minus a $95 discount 'cause your such a good guy. Remember that the injectors are set in the heads on these early engines (MFI too) and not in the manifold runners like the later 2.7s and up. I could also come up with a 2.7L CIS system too. Both systems will be minus the fuel accumulator and filter assembly. Oh, the Brown Turd I did was a 2.4 CIS motor. I like and understand CIS (almost). If you get in a real pinch, I have the following exhaust ,,, Craigslist sellers don't take real good photos. I have $400 into them ($300 + got nailed $100 freight). I thought they were bolted together, but .... "That's the Rest of the Story". Was gonna have them cut and the appropriate collectors and flanges put back on them. At the price, it's very close to a new set of headers. For shipping I would cut the crossover pipe and it would lower the shipping into a reasonable range. Thanks for the offers Ron. I'm doing Megasquirt on this one, so I'm either buying manifolds for a 3.2 or I'm going to make some myself. The CIS manifolds would be easy, but they're restrictive. Since I think I'll probably end up turning the engine into an S spec later on, I want to set up a high-flow top induction now. As for the heat exchangers...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) |
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| Root_Werks |
Aug 1 2011, 11:14 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,341 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Not really sure if there is a true low budget 914-6 conversion possible anymore unless you have good connections. The average person will spend way more to convert one than you could buy one for. It USE to be totally worth it for the average bear:
Factory oil tank = $450 Used heater boxes = $500 Bursch headers (save a buck and time to hunt down heat) = $200 Used small 2.0-2.4 non "S" engine = $1000-1500 complete with muffler Flywheel = $100 911 "Soft long" oil line = $65 Egnine tin = Free (I use to have templates) Shifter bar = Free (I use to have a jig) Muffler hanger = Free (I use to have a template) Bell Crank = $15 for solex balls and cups, (I use to have jigs and templates) Sell your 4cyl 1.7-1.8 $0, 2.0 $500 This was 10+ years ago, shoot, probably more like 15+ years ago. I've seen some pretty good conversions go for $10-15k that looked to be clean cars. Not really sure if you could source all that, put it together for the same price anymore. |
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| Series9 |
Aug 3 2011, 06:12 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Looks like the engine comes with the flywheel and I have a lead on the headers and tank.
I need: Muffler Fan/Housing/Alternator Engine Shroud Oil cooler air duct |
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| AZ914 |
Aug 3 2011, 07:32 AM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,459 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Aug 3 2011, 05:12 AM) Looks like the engine comes with the flywheel and I have a lead on the headers and tank. I need: Muffler Fan/Housing/Alternator Engine Shroud Oil cooler air duct Joe, you probably know this already... but the Pelican 911 classifieds are a damn gold mine for parts. |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Aug 3 2011, 08:57 AM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Aug 3 2011, 05:12 AM) Looks like the engine comes with the flywheel and I have a lead on the headers and tank. I need: Muffler Fan/Housing/Alternator Engine Shroud Oil cooler air duct I have some 6 engine shroud that was fabricated for the same race car that the oil tank was for if you want some "ugly stuff"! Free! |
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| Mike Bellis |
Aug 3 2011, 09:41 AM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None
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I have an extra MS2 ECU if you want it. I ran it on my V8 for a while. Perfect working order but no harness. $85 shipped
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| Series9 |
Aug 3 2011, 11:47 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Aug 3 2011, 11:41 AM) I have an extra MS2 ECU if you want it. I ran it on my V8 for a while. Perfect working order but no harness. $85 shipped Sold! PM sent. |
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| SLITS |
Aug 3 2011, 12:58 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Series9 @ Aug 3 2011, 05:12 AM) Looks like the engine comes with the flywheel and I have a lead on the headers and tank. I need: Muffler Fan/Housing/Alternator Engine Shroud Oil cooler air duct Muffler ... yes Fan/housing/alternator ... maybe, doesn't belong to me and would have to see how much he wants for it. Off a 3.0 if it makes any difference to you. Why can't you use a shroud with integral duct or do you just want the duct itself? |
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| Series9 |
Aug 3 2011, 01:20 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Aug 3 2011, 02:58 PM) QUOTE(Series9 @ Aug 3 2011, 05:12 AM) Looks like the engine comes with the flywheel and I have a lead on the headers and tank. I need: Muffler Fan/Housing/Alternator Engine Shroud Oil cooler air duct Muffler ... yes Fan/housing/alternator ... maybe, doesn't belong to me and would have to see how much he wants for it. Off a 3.0 if it makes any difference to you. Why can't you use a shroud with integral duct or do you just want the duct itself? I just found a fan housing, so alternator and fan are still needed. May I see a picture of the muffler? Shroud too? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| ArtechnikA |
Aug 3 2011, 03:15 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
If you're using the 911 oil cooler you'll need to mod the fitting that otherwise won't clear the trailing arm...
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| SLITS |
Aug 3 2011, 05:10 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Muffler today ...
What's the OE on the fan housing or diameter? Shroud tomorrow .... Images ....... It's a Bischoff.    |
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| Series9 |
Aug 3 2011, 06:02 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Aug 3 2011, 07:10 PM) Muffler today ... What's the OE on the fan housing or diameter? Shroud tomorrow .... Images ....... It's a Bischoff. I think that muffler will work. Where's that thread where AAron converted one of those to twin center outlet? I think I'll do that. The fan housing I have has the same part number as Wills' 3.2, but the alternator flange is the shallow one, like for an externally regulated alternator. |
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