We are screwed smog law passed Options

[dmenche914]

AB 2683 passed the Senate transport committee, which means it will continue on for more votes. This will require smog tests for 1976 cars and newer forever, even when they are forty, fifty years old!

Here is the breakdown of votes:

Murray, Figueroa, Florez, Perata, Scott, Speier, and Torlakson all voted Yes, BASTARDS!!!

Ashborn, Karnette, Morrow, all did not vote, CHICKEN SHITS!!!

Mc Clintock, and Brulte voted No, HEROS!!!

It appears it now goes to another Senate Committee, I will try to keep you all updated on this crummy law.

Please call the Bastards, and Chicken Shits, and let them know how disapointed you are in them, and please call the Heros thank them, and ask them what you can do to help get this law struck down as it procededs thru the senate.


Dave Menche

[Jake Raby]

Move to a real state....

Sorry to hear that guys,...

[914werke]

Better yet Dave fill in your location so we know WHICH STATE YOUR TALKING ABOUT!

[Jenny]

or check out Tom's post titled

AB 2683 passed Senate Transportation Cmte., Bummer!

halfway down the first page. Tom's in San Jose, so I can only assume this is in Cali.

Jen

[DrifterJay]

I love owning a 72... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[fiid]

IMHO it is inevitable that this will pass. The stats are against us - the worst poluters are older cars; and it's at the point where the oldest 2% are putting out 20% of the emissions. (approximately). If this is not true - it is certainly the data that is being presented to our leadership.

Regardless - Lotus have at least once in their history had to revise cars to meet california smog. And the time I know about that they INCREASED power output at the same time they did it.

So: Who can build a PZEV compiliant type 4 motor that puts out more power than stock? Who has the real cahones? With all the new tech that is available for type IV engines, it must be getting close to possible. It is definately possible to build an engine that will pass the tailpipe emissions test.

Now: If you did this to a 1976 914 - it would be illegal. It would fail smog because the visual inspection would fail on the grounds that it is not original emissions equiptment. EVEN IF IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN STOCK. That is a much larger problem. You should also write to your representin' people about this one.

BTW: Off Topic: Does Otmar get to use HOV lanes during peak hours?

[Andyrew]

I COULD stand them makeing me do a tailpipe test (Ie for all cars 30 years old AND older)

But If they want to do a visual? Im buying extra fireworks this year.... Im thinking 100 boxes of picklo petes, located at each persons house in favor of this...

Hmm That WOULD be Legal fun!

muhaha, (I make fireworks from other fireworks.. lots of fun, lots of bang..)

Andrew

[Andyrew]

Oh ya, i have a 73 in a box incase someone wants to Ehmm swap cars... (all the vins.. ext..)

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[thomasotten]

"Warm Winds Blowing
Heating blue sky
And a Road that Goes Forever
I'm going to Texas"

-Song by Chris Rea, 'Road to Hell' CD


BTW that's what you get when you let liberals run your state.

[newdeal2]

That's one thing I like about Florida...NO emmisions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[redshift]

None?

I dunno, I had some in Florida before, but I went to the doctor, and he fixed me right up.

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M

[gklinger]

BTW that's what you get when you let liberals run your state.

Oh c'mon... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
Arizona's politicians are about as conservative as you can find, and we've had to test all cars '67 and newer since testing was started in the '70s.

[SirAndy]

BTW that's what you get when you let liberals run your state.

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[newdeal2]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) No, it's true...it's REALLY true!

[just open yours eyes and look around]

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[SirAndy]

[just open yours eyes and look around]

that's exactly what i do ...

all i see is "the man" milking us for money.
no matter what party they belong too.

doesn't matter dude,
it's all about YOUR scri$$a !!!

[Otmar]

Damn guys,
I try to be quiet about this stuff, but I respect you all too much to see such old style thinking go unchallenged.
You like dying of industrial disease? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Step back for a moment and look at the piles of cars on the road today. All of them are dumping smog into the air.
Then look at the emissions from your stinking teener. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif)
I'm not kidding, it doesn't get much worse than this. Friken air cooled engine, no Cat (pre 75) with antique FI. The average teener puts out 100 times the smog of a modern car (I kid you not). By modern standards, you must admit, the FI stinks. (literally) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)

Try riding a bicycle behind one and then tell me about your emissions. Living in the Bay area for almost 40 years makes it obvious, LA is much worse. You all have seen the smog, probably felt it in your lungs without even knowing it. Get out in clean air once in a while and you can really feel the difference. IIRC Cars produce 70 percent of the smog here. Sorry to put a little reality in here, but the truth hurts sometimes.

If I seem a bit agitated, it's only because I used to be a head mechanic at a VW shop and I changed my profession just because I realized I was helping unknowing people muck up the air by keeping old cars running. I also happen to like breathing clean air while pedaling a bicycle or out hiking. Now I'm trying to help develop alternatives that don't suck. Speed is good, Fun is good, smog is bad and so are the oil companies that are robbing you of cash while promoting your early death.

I agree, the California visual requirement is bad, especially with the new dyno testers. If you can make it better, I believe we all should have that option. That limitation sucks.

Myself, I just change motors to something new. My 82/86 Vanagon runs a 97 Jetta engine (I built the van in 98), fully smog compliant. And my teener runs on solar power, but that's expensive and has it's downsides at this time. Yes, one upside is that I drive in the carpool lane alone any time I want. For long trips I use the ULEV Insight.

So my advice is give up on that expensive antique air cooled engine that can't hold combustion temperatures constant and therefore never will be a clean engine. I believe the engine has little to do with the excellent qualities of the 914 that we love so much but lots to do with the headaches. Throw in a modern Soob, Toy or some other fun motor, meet the latest smog spec and get more power while you're at it. Not only that, you'll get better mileage and it will start nice and smooth, every time.

Just to show I'm not a totally rigid Eco idiot, I did spend today riding a Honda CBR 1000F to the coast on some of the best motorcycling roads in the country. It's very quick and probably not clean at all! You gotta have fun too, but if you're doing it regularly I believe you also have to think about the long term impacts. Obviously without regulations, few of you are doing anything about your emissions. To me that says you would just as well breath the soup they call "air" in the big cities in China.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Just my nickels worth. It's a bit too long for 2 cents. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[bob174]

Thank God for Texas!!! They've just started emissions testing recently, but it doesn't go that far back.

[thomasotten]

If I seem a bit agitated, it's only because I used to be a head mechanic at a VW shop and I changed my profession just because I realized I was helping unknowing people muck up the air by keeping old cars running.

... To me that says you would just as well breath the soup they call "air" in the big cities in China.

Your comment about China makes my point! The real aim of the liberal political philisopy is control, not clean air. In China, the governement controls everything, and their air is horrible.

And that whole deal about how you used to be a VW head mechanic, but then quit because you didn't want to help us poor saps like us unknowingly destroy the environment is a little arragant. My 914 used to get 32+ mpg. My New Beetle gets 24 on the highway!

The goverment going after hot-rodders and classic car owners is just a way for them to look like they are doing something so those environmental extreemists will vote for them. Making it harder on a few car owners won't have any real effect on air quality.

[PatW]

Step back for a moment and look at the piles of cars on the road today. All of them are dumping smog into the air.

I agree, the California visual requirement is bad, especially with the new dyno testers.

I don't agree or disagree with you statements however: My car is bone stock as well as Tom 76 914. Now say (example) Tom has to start Dyno testing his car and it fails the sniffer test, where previously it did not. The logic just doesn't add up. Add the Dyno testing element and cars will fail sniffer testing even if running well. And of course the State will cheerfully give Tom 500$ and scrap his low mile 914. Then sell that smog credit back to a large polluting company who pollutes more. Thank you very much. Given the outlook this could and will happen.

Smog Testing in a good idea but, I should not have to worry just because of a few politicians and their allies decided to change the playing field and move the goal posts that much farther. Instead they should concentrate on just sniffer testing and promote sensible cleaner fuels without MTBE.

Pat

[mikester]

That's one thing I like about Florida...NO emmisions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Florida has emissions. I had to get them checked every year in JAcksonville. Just depends on the county.