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dmenche914
post Jul 5 2004, 01:56 PM
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Have you considered an electric conversion, great gas milage (ha ha) Some places offer tax rebates for electric cars. Performance can be good (although range is an issue) there is at least one member on this list which has an electric 914.

I cannot think of a gas engine conversion that will get much better milage than a stock motor, my old 1.7 got 30 mpg, and the 2.0 liter got about 25 mpg (all driven hard)

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post Jul 5 2004, 02:04 PM
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PS: The 1.7 flat-4 Alfa engine would be ideal but I'm afraid it's a bit of a beast with fuel


Yes this is true....mine was tres thirsty. But nice.
1.8T audi engine is 180hp?
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(dmenche914 @ Jul 5 2004, 11:56 AM)
Have you considered an electric conversion, great gas milage (ha ha) Some places offer tax rebates for electric cars.  Performance can be good (although range is an issue) there is at least one member on this list which has an electric 914.

 I cannot think of a gas engine conversion that will get much better milage than a stock motor, my old 1.7 got 30 mpg, and the 2.0 liter got about 25 mpg (all driven hard)

 dave

Electric ? Funny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Seriously though between 25 and 30 mpg (30 mpg = 7,9 litres/100km right ?) would be good enough for me. Anyone know If 914/6's are easy to find in europe? If I stay with the original engine I would like the 6-cyl version.

thesey914 The 1.8T engine is available in 150, 180 and 225 bhp (in Europe), there could be an ever higher spec 250 or something but I'm not sure.
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:15 PM
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1.8T 150hp.....Ofcourse - I was thinking of the TT (180), but the A3 is 150hp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I reckon you could get 25-30 out of your type 4.
The sixes come up for sale now and again but are fairly rare. But why not wait?
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:17 PM
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powaq,
Sounds like you are close to choosing what you want. I am curious what you like about the 914 such that you want to work through the challenges of replacing the powerplant and interior? If it's just mid-engine and open top appeal, why not find an Fiat x 1/9 or Lancia Scorpion (US)? They may have some modern powerplants you can more easily transplant and are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(thesey914 @ Jul 5 2004, 12:15 PM)
1.8T 150hp.....Ofcourse - I was thinking of the TT (180), but the A3 is 150hp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I reckon you could get 25-30 out of your type 4.
The sixes come up for sale now and again but are fairly rare. But why not wait?

We even have a 150bhp version of the TT in Belgium ! Yeah, why not wait ? Don't know, I wanted to start working on it this summer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I've got a lot of time now (no school (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) University starts again the end of september. I'm eyeing a 914 right now, but I don't know what engine it is. I mailed the seller to ask him what engine it has. It's for sale for €6900 a bit much IMO but it does look to be in good condition.

25-30 mpg out of a Type-4. Is that with "conservative driving" or "spirited driving" ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Is it easy to add fuel injection to a type-4?
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Powaqqatsi @ Jul 5 2004, 01:09 PM)
Seriously though between 25 and 30 mpg (30 mpg = 7,9 litres/100km right ?)

1 US Gallon = 3.79 Liter
1 Mile = 1.61 km

so

30 Miles per Gallon = 48.3 km per Gallon = 48.3 km per 3.79 Liter =
7.85L/100 km

which is kind of on the upper end. if you don't drive much, that'll probably work for you, but i would rather invest in a newer engine and get something closer to 6L/100km ...

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post Jul 5 2004, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(Powaqqatsi @ Jul 5 2004, 01:21 PM)
Is it easy to add fuel injection to a type-4?

most of them came with FI ...

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post Jul 5 2004, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Jaiderenegadesimpson V8 914 @ Jul 5 2004, 12:17 PM)
powaq,
Sounds like you are close to choosing what you want. I am curious what you like about the 914 such that you want to work through the challenges of replacing the powerplant and interior? If it's just mid-engine and open top appeal, why not find an Fiat x 1/9 or Lancia Scorpion (US)? They may have some modern powerplants you can more easily transplant and are <2 liter. How are European emission laws? It is one of the hurdles in the US when choosing manufacturer dates for a conversion.
Good luck and keep us posted on your project. It is an obligation after asking for advice on this board. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Felix

Emission is not THAT big of a problem I think (less than the US) and I also think it doesn't matter that much for a car of that age. They are less strict about it.

What appeals me ? I think it's a combination of 1. the open top, 2. I actually like the looks of the thing and 3. It's a Porsche man. What's better than saying to some girl "hey I drive a Porsche" ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

And if I indeed buy one I will of course keeop you guys informed (and ask a lot of questions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) !
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post Jul 5 2004, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 5 2004, 12:23 PM)
QUOTE(Powaqqatsi @ Jul 5 2004, 01:21 PM)
Is it easy to add fuel injection to a type-4?

most of them came with FI ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy

OK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) as you can see I don't know a lot about them (yet).
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post Jul 5 2004, 03:16 PM
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Just to be clear:

American gallons are not the same as british gallons.

Have you considered a turbo diesel?? Might be fun. The Rover 220SDi motor ought to light things up pretty well :-)

There are some great 1600 or so engines available in europe too - maybe a Peugeout/Citroen engine, or maybe one of the zetecs from the focus. Out to give you more than enough power, smooth running, good efficiency, and uh - what else do you need?

There is an older 1.8 subaru motor that can be gotten for cheap as well. It puts out about 130 - 150hp (depending on if you go turbo or not). It's very small - fits in a 914 engine bay with room for passengers (not really).

What MPG do you guys get out of well running 1.7s with stock FI??
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post Jul 5 2004, 03:27 PM
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Powaq,

Make sure you ask a lot of questions BEFORE you buy a 914
These cars have way too many rust boobytraps, that are hard to spot for someone without some 914 knowledge...

cheers,

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post Jul 5 2004, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(fiid @ Jul 5 2004, 02:16 PM)
American gallons are not the same as british gallons.

that's why i used 3.79 for the conversion and not 4.55 ...

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post Jul 5 2004, 04:45 PM
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a ROVER in a 914 or a DIESEL????
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post Jul 6 2004, 12:59 PM
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Well I just began my crusade to finding a 914. If I can find a 914/6 I will take that if not I would consider an engine conversion. Any of the dutch or german members could tell me where the hell I could find an, for example, Audi 1.8t engine ? Newly orderd engines would be extremely expensive no ? And a wrecked audi or something can easily cost, say, 2-3000 euros (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) .
I placed some adds today and sent a few emails around asking about 914 for sale, let's hope I find one because the are damn hard to find around here (I've never even seen a 914 one the road in my life!)

And yeah a diesel is not a bad idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) good mileage, cheap fuel and lots of torque.
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post Jul 6 2004, 03:29 PM
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A diesel is not a bad idea in a modern diesel. Great MPG and tons of torque if its a turbo. I really like the way they drive. Spades of low end grunt.
It is not, however, a fitting engine for a historic sports car like a 914
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post Jul 7 2004, 06:07 AM
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Well, I found one in the Netherlands. It's a 2.0 4-cil. Now a simple question: it seems to be an import from California so it probably has a good body. That's a plus. But if the engine is an American one it probably has lower output (due to emission regulation I think?). Is it as simple as increasing the compression ratio from 1:7.6 to 1:8.0 to get to euro standards ?
The car is Silver metallic one (nice color) and it costs €4300. Seems allright to me. I'll probably go and take a look at it this weekend.
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post Jul 7 2004, 07:03 AM
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Hey Powaq,

Which car did you find???
Be extra carefull... this is a tricky price range and you could very well buy a shiny piece of rust...

If you wan't you can call me and I'll give you some pointers on where/what to look for

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 5 2004, 01:38 PM)
QUOTE(fiid @ Jul 5 2004, 02:16 PM)
American gallons are not the same as british gallons.

that's why i used 3.79 for the conversion and not 4.55 ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy

I noticed that! Good job! Just wanted to make sure everyone else knows that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). It's confused the heck out of me for a while :|.

I used to wonder why some cars available in the UK have twice the gas milage of some american cars.

The Rover SDi engine I believe gets an average of 60mpg (british g). And it will still pull 150mph.
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post Jul 7 2004, 01:56 PM
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Nice to see another belgian on the 914 site.
Unfortunately can't help you much since I've been living abroad for 10 years, last 7 years in Texas. If you live on the flemish side, I've seen a couple of times a 914 for sale in a paper called Koopjeskrant. You may also be able to find other parts incl engines in there.
If you get your car send me your phone number and I'll try to drop by next time I visit.

By the way, take Jeroen's offer and let him help you with buying the car. It's easy to buy a piece of junk with these non-galvanized cars.

Good luck!
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