My v8 conversion thread, With pics, progress, questions ect!! Options

[Brad Roberts]

That single fan isnt going to do it.. you live in Slowdesto for christ's sake..lol

Oh.. water doesnt like to turn angles.. figure something else out.. ditch the elbows..They probably wont handle the heat anyway and melt.



B

[dan10101]

That's his plan, If it doesn't flow enough air, then he'll cut the inner fenders.

We tried to crank it over tonight, Starter froze. We'll try again tomorrow with another starter. May have the wrong number of teath for the after market gear reduction starter. I think it came from the late model engine conversion bits we aquired.

We still have the 911 starter that should work. Still lots of little things before it's road worthy...

Dan

[dan10101]

hey Andrew, that ugly front bumper sure looks familiar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)....did you get that from Jim???

so are you running the hot air from the radiator out the hood like that black V8 914 that was at the WCC???

Oh, ya. It was Jims and more than a few others I'm sure.

[dan10101]

That single fan isnt going to do it.. you live in Slowdesto for christ's sake..lol

Oh.. water doesnt like to turn angles.. figure something else out.. ditch the elbows..They probably wont handle the heat anyway and melt.



B

We have a second fan, just won't fit on the rad. We're thinking of pushing one and pulling the other. Offset on the front and back. Anyone try that?

[redshift]

-uhh... duh! disregard some of this, I just realized what coffee, and you meant about offestting.. hee still, there are some clues, so I'll leave it..


If you do push-pull, you need to shroud the pull fan tightly, and the pull fan needs to have a lil more space between it, and the radiator. It needs to be completely ducted to be efficent enough to handle all that..

The turbulence created by the pushing fan can stall the air over the pulling fan, with a radiator dead between them, and without very tight duct work.

Better off with one of those ready made dual fan pulling rigs.

Great job Andrew, great to see you going on down the road towards your goal, keep up the giid work, as usual.


M

[skline]

Scott,
You must have missed the vented hood pic...
When are you going to have your car running
Felix

I didnt miss anything, I know he wants to vent the hood with an inverted scoop. I dont think it is going to be enough and I think it is going to flow the hot air right into the car with the top off. I guess we will see when he gets it going. Mine is still sitting here waiting for me to get time to work on it. Seems to be to many other things taking my time right now. Andrew will get his going before mine. I worked on it a little last weekend and ran into a small problem. I went to hook up the CV joints and found the engine and tranny are in there crooked. I need to shift the whole assembly over to the passenger side about an inch. Couldnt get the drivers side on. It sucks working alone.

[Andyrew]

I measured the air outlet for the hood... Its twice the size of the inlet.. (which was the ratio I was lookin for...) Plus there will be a "turbulent" from the cowel which should suck the air out quicker... Hot air over the car I dont care about... Its only summer...

Brad, its a 15in fan... the thing is MASSIVE.... It just looks small because of my huge radiator..... If I have cooling problems I'll put the other fan on it and see how that is...

Oh ya, Tell Dad about those elbows... I dont like them... but he says they'll work, What do I know anyways.... So We'll see....

[neo914-6]

It sucks working alone.

What happened to your tool wench? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Andyrew,
How about a roll up on your budget?
Felix

[BIGKAT_83]

Oh ya, Tell Dad about those elbows... I dont like them... but he says they'll work, What do I know anyways.... So We'll see....

Take those PVC pipe fittings and put them in a pot of boiling water on the stove. I bet they melt or are so flexible you can crush them.

BTDT.........
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Andyrew]

Ok, total cost of the v8 conversion was 2300.

Minus my 2.0 engine sale (800) its 1500
Minus the sale of my carbs that went with the engine (150) 1350

Minus some other stuff I sold along the way, and its about 1k....

I'll throw those fittings in the boiling water and let dad watch... lol..

[Andyrew]

Kit 1 300
Kit 2 500
Distributor 85
Radiator 50
Fuel Pump Faucet existing
Hoses and fittings 200
Headers Kit 2
Muffler Kit 2
Engine Rebuild 720
Machine work incl
Engine kit incl
Bearings (*2) 10
Paint, sand paper and Misc 60
Oil cooler 2
Remote oil filter kit 1
Overflow tank 0
Radiator Cap 2
Hood Kit 2
Fans Kit 2
Oil and filter 15
Materials for Radiator 109.95
Throwout bearing 70
Pilot bushing 40
Swap meet items
Plug wires 5
Gauges 5
Misc 10
Exhaust kit 2


Dera ya go.... a break down..

[dan10101]

BIGKAT and Brad
Thanks for warding off a big problem. We're throwing out the plastic fittings and getting copper plumming like one of the previous kit owners was using. I would prefer stainless, but Lowes doesn't carry it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

So now it's time to learn how to solder copper plumbing. (Good to 450 degrees)

In the meantime. We took a moment last night to try and fire up the beast. Long enough to find out the dist was 180 out, wasn't getting any juce, the battery was dead, exhaust had a huge leak and hi-torque starters are NOISEY. (May be because we need to rework the tranny mount bolts, too solid).

Finally, FIRE in the HOLE. (litterally when the exhaust was leaking)
Still have to rework the timing and find why the carb seems to be sucking air.
No more running until the water lines are sorted out. Soldering is a pain, anyone else have an idea how to reduce 1 1/2" hose to 1" hose?

Inch by inch... slowly It turned...

[Mueller]

for the reducer, try Summit Racing

I found these for Datsun Z Chevy swaps
Hose adapters/reducers

If you do end up using the copper tubing, try to add a bead on the OD so that the hose is less likely to slip off...

[lapuwali]

Sounds like you guys need to enter the $2005 Challenge. Even if you don't, I'd bet GRM would like to hear from you. They love this kind of thing.

[soloracer]

Andyrew: I bought a radiator from Renegade Hybrids and they forgot to send me a mounting kit and ducting. So I called and asked where it was. Scott told me he was shipping the ducting separately (which he did) and that they no longer hard mount their radiators. He said they had problems with the radiators getting cracked from the mounts (possibly due to flexing of the chassis?) and that they now float mounted their radiators. I'm not sure what that means but I thought I should share in case it is a concern for you.

Anyone know what they mean by "float mounting" the radiator? How would that be accomplished?

[Mueller]

rubber isolators???

I'd mount the radiator so that you could grab it and move it about 1/4" in all directions, make sure you use a soft material that'll absorb the shock of hitting bumps and such

[Mueller]

(ex-Chrysler engine designer)

P.S. HOW CAN I POST THE PICS OF MY OLD RAD SETUP?

hmmmm....that might explain why you cannot post a pic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

just kidding...the admins have a "rule"...one must post 10 times before posting pictures



by the way, welcome to the club !!!!!

[neo914-6]

"float mounting" the radiator

My benz rad sits on rubber rings (the bottom of the rad had big pins and the side and top is literally spring clipped. Maybe this is considered float mounting. Hmmm, I got my Renegade rad last year. I better check it out...

Welcome 9one4racer,
Felix

[mike_the_man]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I know Mike did a lot of custom work. I don't think you can just go and buy a set of $25 bearings and slap them in. I'm sure Mike will explain, although he doesn't really have to. I think most of us understand what went into creating the roller bearings.

[Andyrew]

Out of curiosity 9one4racer...

Did you even read this thread, Neh, did you even look at all the pics?

Its obvious that I shrowded the radiator..

oh... and dont be trying to slam down someone who's done as much work for 914's as Mike Mueller has done...

And as for the copper piping... I went with 1in id rubber lines. Copper tubing is only used for reducers and such.

I think Mr. Mueller needs an apology.

and if you think.. for one moment that im going to allow any more of this slamming on my thread...

No more talk of this. 9one4 either appologise to Mike Mueller, or dont respond at all. I will have the admins delete all these posts if something goes awry.

ps, you need 10 posts to be able to attach a picture.