Attention world, any Subaru projects being planned?, 12/9 Back up and running! Options

[IM101]

Im in the prosses of pulling out the chevy DZ302 out right now!! I have a sweet closed deck 2.2 with 2001 SOHC heads and a little boost going in.

Is there a cradle offered? I planed on making what i needed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)


jcl

First off great choice of engine, that set up is bomb proof. as to your question not yet but soon. read below (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Okay so let's get back to what you are planning to bring to the suby conversion process IM101 (Ian). Besides a turn key setup what do you have in mind? What parts besides a turn key will be available?

I have a bit in the works.
but for the short term:
A universal engine mount that will work with all of the 4cyl subaru engines and maybe the 6's if down the line i can get a hold of them.

The mount will be two stage, which will enable it to work with the 901 or the subaru 2wd converted 5mt.

If the subaru Box is chosen then the kit can include:
-the converted 5mt (with a bremer style stub/plate)
-Complete custom made (not just re-splined) CV axles with your choice of 914 or 944 German outer CV's and subaru inner CVs
-Complete Cable shift set up


In the long term I hope to include:
-Everything else...
-Complete tuned engines
-Exhaust
-Cooling set up
-and instrumentation (with the 5mt option)

[Brett W]

I already have a designed and built engine bar for the FWD transmission with what ever engine. As soon as I pull the engine from my SVX and get a hold of the AWD tranny behind it I will know what mods need to be done to my engine bar design. In theory I could produce a bar for anyone that wants one right now.

[jimkelly]

one of the major issues with our cars - is the cost to have a type4 rebuilt - or to have a porsche 6 rebuilt - or to have suby rebuilt. one website quotes rebuild prices from $3k for an EJ22 to $5k for an EG33. keeping costs down on a conversion really seems to rely on getting a known good engine for a good price. looking forward to what you wind up offering and nice to see jake has found a new niche. subaru engines have just risen in status, that is for certain. zoom zoom - oh wait that is mazda - hey has anyone ever thought - oh never mind : ))

link - http://www.ccrengines.com/id15.html

[Brett W]

There are so many benefits to the Suby engines that unless your building an original car, there is no point in even messing with the aircooled lump. It won't make near as much power, with near as much reliability, etc. The factory fuel injection on the Suby engines are an excellent compliment to the engines. No more having to deal with carbs, points, distributors, etc.

I think as time goes on you will see more and more people buying these cars and their interest isn't in preserving some original cars. Their interest is in having a cool car to drive, and drive hard. Upgraded engines to create reliability and bring more power to the package, bigger brakes, more modern suspensions, etc. Look at what the Pro-Touring movement has done to the old school muscle cars. No more janky 60s cars, but they are now packing modern engines, TRANSMISSIONS, big brakes, modern interiors, electronics, etc. You combine the perfect look of the older cars, but bring all the supporting systems into the future.

[Brett W]

one of the major issues with our cars - is the cost to have a type4 rebuilt - or to have a porsche 6 rebuilt - or to have suby rebuilt. one website quotes rebuild prices from $3k for an EJ22 to $5k for an EG33. keeping costs down on a conversion really seems to rely on getting a known good engine for a good price. looking forward to what you wind up offering and nice to see jake has found a new niche. subaru engines have just risen in status, that is for certain. zoom zoom - oh wait that is mazda - hey has anyone ever thought - oh never mind : ))

link - http://www.ccrengines.com/id15.html

Why bother with a reman engine. You can get a new short block from Subaru, for less than 3K. That is a 2.5 STI Short Block. Get your heads worked and bolt them on with new gaskets and your good to go.

[IM101]

There are so many benefits to the Suby engines that unless your building an original car, there is no point in even messing with the aircooled lump. It won't make near as much power, with near as much reliability, etc. The factory fuel injection on the Suby engines are an excellent compliment to the engines. No more having to deal with carbs, points, distributors, etc.

I think as time goes on you will see more and more people buying these cars and their interest isn't in preserving some original cars. Their interest is in having a cool car to drive, and drive hard. Upgraded engines to create reliability and bring more power to the package, bigger brakes, more modern suspensions, etc. Look at what the Pro-Touring movement has done to the old school muscle cars. No more janky 60s cars, but they are now packing modern engines, TRANSMISSIONS, big brakes, modern interiors, electronics, etc. You combine the perfect look of the older cars, but bring all the supporting systems into the future.

Mostly agreed, although Air cooled tech has done a pretty good job making reliable hp on the aircooled platform, its just expensive.

one of the major issues with our cars - is the cost to have a type4 rebuilt - or to have a porsche 6 rebuilt - or to have suby rebuilt. one website quotes rebuild prices from $3k for an EJ22 to $5k for an EG33. keeping costs down on a conversion really seems to rely on getting a known good engine for a good price. looking forward to what you wind up offering and nice to see jake has found a new niche. subaru engines have just risen in status, that is for certain. zoom zoom - oh wait that is mazda - hey has anyone ever thought - oh never mind : ))

link - http://www.ccrengines.com/id15.html

Why bother with a reman engine. You can get a new short block from Subaru, for less than 3K. That is a 2.5 STI Short Block. Get your heads worked and bolt them on with new gaskets and your good to go.

Most of the cost of the rebuild is in the labor, I agree that the best option for an inexpensive conversion is finding a good used engine or being able to do the work yourself. Rebuilding is usually a result of a Bering going bad, and replacement parts, even for an STI wouldn’t break 1k or you could upgrade the internals for not that much more…
Point is if you’re going to be putting the labor in paying stealership prices for a short block and 700-1500 for the head work that kinda defeats the purpose of a budget conversion. You can find a sweet used 2.12 stroker for that price, complete. Or, again, spend half and get a good used engine that will last +150k more miles.

[IM101]

one of the major issues with our cars - is the cost to have a type4 rebuilt - or to have a porsche 6 rebuilt - or to have suby rebuilt. one website quotes rebuild prices from $3k for an EJ22 to $5k for an EG33. keeping costs down on a conversion really seems to rely on getting a known good engine for a good price. looking forward to what you wind up offering and nice to see jake has found a new niche. subaru engines have just risen in status, that is for certain. zoom zoom - oh wait that is mazda - hey has anyone ever thought - oh never mind : ))

link - http://www.ccrengines.com/id15.html

Thank you,
I have a good relationship with Mountain Tech Subaru the local Subaru repair specialists and will probably be getting any used motors from them as they come with a little bit of a warranty Not to mention gone through by experienced Subaru mechanics, not the normal auto recyclers that if its under 60,000 it is rated A+ No matter the unknown internal condition (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[J P Stein]

Doing this right now... Not just for the 914. Turnkey optimized engines are already selling and development is in full swing to include exhaust systems, mounts and adaptors.

Yep a one stop shop-(Sounds like we think alike)

The website will be up within a month and you can see what we have been doing behind the green curtain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm surprised, this is not your usual niche market strategy. There are many Subie vendors out there and I assume the competition for services is great.

I do laud your selection of the Subi motors tho. It's not an orphan, however, and you'll need to price competitively. As near as I can see, it is a completely developed package with no glaring weaknesses. There is no need to "hot rod" the motor. Brit's factory motor blows off any tire he has put under the car (12 inch slicks with LSD) when the boost comes on in 2nd gear......the "problem" is harnessing that power delivery to workable levels. Your average 914 street car guy has no idea what he's getting into with one of these turbo motors. I would think that NA is the way to go there.

[abnrdo]

I am currently in the process of doing a Suby swap. I am planning on an H6 conversion. Most likely with the suby 5 speed. I am planning on building my engine mount from scratch.

Yes you are correct when you say its a lengthy process. I hope to have mine back on the road next summer.

Cheers,
JB

[Ductech]

I currently have one converted using a quick six kinda bar, with stock 901 sideshift. I am currently working out a deal for an even nicer roller to recieve a ej20 turbo with a 5eat auto for the wife. This i plan on building a nice engine cradle similar to the sawtooth's design, fully oem mounted is my goal.


I'll start a thread once it comes to my new house.

[FourBlades]

Other things that would make a subaru based 914 nice would be quieter running
than an air cooled and good air conditioning for people living in hot areas.

I love my type IV engine when I want to drive hard, but for cruising an hour on the
highway it is pretty noisy.

I have a suby conversion on my to do list once I finish my IMSA car.

John

[tradisrad]

I would love to put a more powerful engine in my 914 and the Subaru engine seems like a good fit. Maybe someone will rear-end my Outback and then I'li have and engine and trans to put in the 914.

My biggest issue of putting a water cooled engine in is cutting the front up for a radiator; I feel that it would ruin my car (maybe I need to get over that feeling).

I would like to see a engine compartment solution for a radiator; maybe it wont work, but I thought of two smaller radiators attached to the lid.

And the last issue is heat. While the radiator in the front and a heater core in the fresh air box provides a solution this would not work as well for a rear radiator.

[Ductech]

I agree with the cutting aspect. I am thinking to use two smaller radiators inside the engine bay. I don't like cutting good old cars.

[jimkelly]

IM101 - one thing to keep in mind is if the car will be in a state that does emissions or does emissions and requires all emissions pieces be on motor. i'm in delaware and all 1968 cars ad later must be emission tested using a tail pipe sniffer. in CA i believe all 1974 cars and older are emissions exempt. nice to see you are sensitive to 914 owner's budget limitations : )

i think i lean NA ej25 sohc with suby trans.

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/914/Subie/Subie.html

jim

[BIGKAT_83]

Installed a 2003 EZ30D H6 engine in mine.


Bob

[JRust]

Installed a 2003 EZ30D H6 engine in mine.


Bob

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[IM101]

Other things that would make a subaru based 914 nice would be quieter running
than an air cooled and good air conditioning for people living in hot areas.
I love my type IV engine when I want to drive hard, but for cruising an hour on the
highway it is pretty noisy.
I have a suby conversion on my to do list once I finish my IMSA car.
John

Something interesting that I have found in my development is the fact, that if done correctly you can, flip the intake, to avoid cutting into the trunk, but still retain the use of the AC compressor that is normally lost.. Another reason that this great engine is such a great match for this great car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

IM101 - one thing to keep in mind is if the car will be in a state that does emissions or does emissions and requires all emissions pieces be on motor. i'm in delaware and all 1968 cars ad later must be emission tested using a tail pipe sniffer. in CA i believe all 1974 cars and older are emissions exempt. nice to see you are sensitive to 914 owner's budget limitations : )
i think i lean NA ej25 sohc with suby trans.
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/914/Subie/Subie.html
jim

I have given a little thought to that. Oregon has a similar cut off date for emissions. Secretly I was hoping that California being known for its emissions laws would be the worst case out there, however it seems this is not the case. Also emissions laws are just getting more and more stringent, so who knows if the cut off date is not moved back or changed in some way here aswell. In anycase a strait tail pipe sniffer shouldn’t be too bad, I have contemplated developing an emissions safe set up down the road, something that would include all the necessary pieces ( Catalitic converter and what not) and two separate engine maps, one for testing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) , and one for driving. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

of course a lot more research would need to be done... but its not impossible.

[ruby914]

Other things that would make a subaru based 914 nice would be quieter running
than an air cooled and good air conditioning for people living in hot areas.
I love my type IV engine when I want to drive hard, but for cruising an hour on the
highway it is pretty noisy.
I have a suby conversion on my to do list once I finish my IMSA car.
John

Something interesting that I have found in my development is the fact, that if done correctly you can, flip the intake, to avoid cutting into the trunk, but still retain the use of the AC compressor that is normally lost.. Another reason that this great engine is such a great match for this great car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

IM101 - one thing to keep in mind is if the car will be in a state that does emissions or does emissions and requires all emissions pieces be on motor. i'm in delaware and all 1968 cars ad later must be emission tested using a tail pipe sniffer. in CA i believe all 1974 cars and older are emissions exempt. nice to see you are sensitive to 914 owner's budget limitations : )
i think i lean NA ej25 sohc with suby trans.
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/914/Subie/Subie.html
jim

I have given a little thought to that. Oregon has a similar cut off date for emissions. Secretly I was hoping that California being known for its emissions laws would be the worst case out there, however it seems this is not the case. Also emissions laws are just getting more and more stringent, so who knows if the cut off date is not moved back or changed in some way here aswell. In anycase a strait tail pipe sniffer shouldn’t be too bad, I have contemplated developing an emissions safe set up down the road, something that would include all the necessary pieces ( Catalitic converter and what not) and two separate engine maps, one for testing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) , and one for driving. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

of course a lot more research would need to be done... but its not impossible.

I live in California. I have a WRX in my 914 and use the Subi ECU and gauge cluster. I have heard of the Vanaru guys passing smog, I think as a Subaru. I have most of the Subi emissions components but not all are installed yet. Stilll looking for places to put them. I am exempt as a 1974 Porsche but I hope to one day pass, if tested as a Subaru.

[jimkelly]

here is a thread of one of the godfather's of the suby conversion - tony
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...9&hl=subaru

[abnrdo]

Installed a 2003 EZ30D H6 engine in mine.


Bob

Bob,
Did you have to cut any portion of the trunk? I am looking to avoid this with my EG33 conversion.
-JB