Cairo's 6 Options

[scotty b]

More than there would be in the front where it belongs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have no doubt the front is best. It's what I'm doing with mine. But Michael wants a stock look so get off your high horse unicorn and figure out a way to make it work.

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[Eric_Shea]

Put it in front. Looks like a stock 914-6(/GT) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cut, notch and rechrome the front bumper. Purchase a narrow GT lower valance.

-or-

Put a 2.0T motor in it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[sixnotfour]

damn dog, your right ,but this right side kit is what I would run on this particular SIX;
http://www.elephantracing.com/oilhandling/...plumbingkit.htm

Or No, Do what SoCalAndy is doing...GT oil lines, Setrab Cooler and Mocal Thermo.

[Eric_Shea]

We can drop ship... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Cairo94507]

Hi everyone and thanks for your input and suggestions. I value all opinions as I am by no means an expert at any of this stuff. So, If I were building a GT replica I would of course go with the GT cooler up front as it is a terrific looking solution which functions better than it looks and that says a lot. Believe me there was a moment when I was thinking about building this car that I actually made the decision to make it a GT replica with flares and all- but (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) with a rear valance installed (no offense to the GT's who run w/o).

Then I actually thought more about the car's history and I do feel as since there are fewer '71's than '70's, that I had an obligation to do the best I could to keep it stock looking as much as possible. That resulted in my changing course and the decision to keep it a stock-bodied Six. And I have not wavered from that decision ever since.

I mean the little changes we are making, chassis stiffening kit, early S calipers with vented rotors, GT rear calipers with vented drilled rotors, deep six wheels finished to factory standards, factory '71 color of Light Ivory (even though the car used to be gold), side-shift conversion to my Six transaxle and the addition of a Renn Shifter and linkage, a stock '89 3.2 with Motronic, exhaust with heat exchangers that appear as similar to stock as possible and yet allow the 3.2 to run correctly, F&R stock 914 sway bars and bushings, double wrapped stock steering wheel, keeping the frog warts (lights) on the fenders, keeping the stock antenna, adding LED tail lights and 3rd brake light as cleanly as is possible. All that is being done to make the car safer to operate today while still staying true to the car.

However, and I will say this again, politely, I DON'T want to cut up my trunk - really. Now if there is no other viable option, then of course I would have to do it to keep the engine cool and the car running w/o problems. I like the look of the notched bumper/valance and that is not my objection as it really is a low-profile modification. But as soon as you open the trunk.....all you see is the cooler shroud and the hoses.

So we have about 2 months to figure this out before the 3.2 gets bolted in to trial fit and mock-up everything so we have no surprises later.

Come on all you brainiacs put your thinking caps on and tell me why the front fender cooler with the GT lines and a Porsche thermostat would not be sufficient for my specific build/use.

My bias is based on two former Sixes I had. My first, a '70 with a 2.7 had no cooler at all and I was maybe in my mid-20's and drove the car pretty hard pretty regularly and it never over-heated or had a problem.

My next Six was also a '70 but I put a 3.0 with injection in it. Now that car had heating issues almost immediately. We added a Porsche thermostat and braided flex steel line up the driver's side to the front of the car and installed 2 small VW 411 (?) coolers, one behind each fog light grill. Of course I lost my fog lights but the two small coolers and the hardware connected to it ran flawlessly with no leaks and absolutely no overheating.

Those experiences are what cause me to believe that the thermostat controlled GT lines up the side of the car connected to a small by comparison to the GT cooler, cooler would likely suffice for me.

Please keep me on track and send me your ideas and thoughts. It takes a whole community to build a nice car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) You see what I did there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Thanks a lot for your support and advise. I love these little cars.
Michael

[JmuRiz]

My bias is based on two former Sixes I had. My first, a '70 with a 2.7 had no cooler at all and I was maybe in my mid-20's and drove the car pretty hard pretty regularly and it never over-heated or had a problem.

My next Six was also a '70 but I put a 3.0 with injection in it. Now that car had heating issues almost immediately. We added a Porsche thermostat and braided flex steel line up the driver's side to the front of the car and installed 2 small VW 411 (?) coolers, one behind each fog light grill. Of course I lost my fog lights but the two small coolers and the hardware connected to it ran flawlessly with no leaks and absolutely no overheating.

That's cool...I kind of like that idea you used on the 3.0. Anyway, I sent you pictures of the setup I was talking about.
I'm with you as well, I kind of like having a nice front trunk w/o a cooler if possible.

[scotty b]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) This looks like it would work and you could keep the bumper stock

[Cairo94507]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) HMMMMM....that looks vaguely familiar. Well we know that worked because that was what apparently worked for years on my car. But it interferes with the fog lights and required cutting big holes in the front panel. But, it is essentially a big trombone cooler in the front. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I am still leaning towards something in the front fender......I know, I am stubborn.

[mepstein]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) HMMMMM....that looks vaguely familiar. Well we know that worked because that was what apparently worked for years on my car. But it interferes with the fog lights and required cutting big holes in the front panel. But, it is essentially a big trombone cooler in the front. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I am still leaning towards something in the front fender......I know, I am stubborn.

front fender has no airflow through the cooler.

[Cairo94507]

Yeah...small detail to work out....

[sixnotfour]

A 911 does not either

[sixnotfour]

Did Scotty get the parts ?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Cairo94507]

You know I was kind of thinking the same thing. I didn't think the 911 had a flow through venting for the front fender cooler but I have not owned an early 911 for quite some time.

I believe he received the parts but am not sure....I am awaiting new pictures to be posted. Hopefully they will show your parts and the front clip I got from Brad.

Still need a darn set of NOS front fenders.........................................

I see one posted in the classified for $1K but that just seems a little expensive to me. Thoughts?

[scotty b]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) HMMMMM....that looks vaguely familiar. Well we know that worked because that was what apparently worked for years on my car. But it interferes with the fog lights and required cutting big holes in the front panel. But, it is essentially a big trombone cooler in the front. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I am still leaning towards something in the front fender......I know, I am stubborn.

front fender has no airflow through the cooler.

remove turn signal....mucho airflow.....problem solved, have nice day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


Yes the rockers showed up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[scotty b]

no the 911's didn't have much for airflow up there either, but by the time they went to the 3.2 engines, they put a small radiator and fan up there, presumably because the 3.2 was running too hot with a trombone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I have one of those systems and was going to see if it could be manipulated to fit in the same area on a 914, but I kind of doubt it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[balljoint]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) HMMMMM....that looks vaguely familiar. Well we know that worked because that was what apparently worked for years on my car. But it interferes with the fog lights and required cutting big holes in the front panel. But, it is essentially a big trombone cooler in the front. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I am still leaning towards something in the front fender......I know, I am stubborn.

front fender has no airflow through the cooler.

remove turn signal....mucho airflow.....problem solved, have nice day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


Yes the rockers showed up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That trombone looks a bit rusty too.

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[Valy]

Have you tried under the steering rack? Just remove the cover and you should be set.

Or you can use a fiberglass front bumper top and cut a notch in the middle just above the bumper so it's only visible when looking from under the bumper. This way you can tunnel the air behind the bumper and have a cooler there.

[Cairo94507]

I like the cooler/fan set-up from the later 911's. I bet Scotty can make it work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[scotty b]

Got some smaller stuff done. filled in all of the holes form the previous oil cooling system, hammerd the front trunk back into place, mad ea patch for the engine shelf down in the hell hole, cut the rear center section out of the floor to repair and weld back in. While it is out I will also be repairing and reinforcing the clutch tube spot on the firewall.

Oh, and some goodies have arrived (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[JmuRiz]

Ooooo, nice front clip.