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| 72914S |
 Oct 19 2004, 06:59 PM
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love this shot  Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 10-July 03 From: Pensacola,Fl. Member No.: 900 Region Association: South East States  |
Looking at the MDS 6 for my 2.0+. Is anyone running this? opinions? Thanks Barry
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| machina |
Oct 19 2004, 07:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848  |
Get the Mallory VI-AL.
You won't have to get different pills for the rev limiter. I think its next gen compared to the MSD. Also, I think the Mallory doesn't require an adapter to run the tach. |
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| 72914S |
Oct 19 2004, 07:28 PM
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love this shot Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 10-July 03 From: Pensacola,Fl. Member No.: 900 Region Association: South East States |
The reason I asked is that I might get this unit in a trade. Just wanted to see if it was a good up grade. Thanks Barry
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| ArtechnikA |
Oct 19 2004, 07:44 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
i wouldn't either...
my recommendation is the Crane HI-6. i had two MSD-6's fail and leave me stranded. their current race stuff may be The Bomb but i think engineering on the 6 line ended more than 20 years ago and just isn't competitive. (or reliable any more...) just MHO, but i won't run 'em in my car any more ... |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 19 2004, 07:50 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
but will it help my hot cammed 2.0????
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| Brett W |
Oct 19 2004, 08:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,858 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None 
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Yes it will help your 2.0 motor. Helps keep plugs from fouling at idle. Can't say I ever had a problem with my MSD 6A box. Never left me stranded, never ran an adapter for the tach. If they such why do the Winston CUp boys all run them?
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| ArtechnikA |
Oct 19 2004, 08:22 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Brett W @ Oct 19 2004, 06:14 PM) Never left me stranded... If they such why do the Winston CUp boys all run them? "yet" being the operative word :-) ... Gwen had at least one fail in her car too... as for NASCAR -- first, i can promise you they are NOT running the same MSD-6AL you can buy off the pegboard at your FLAPS. they are running at least MSD-7 or -8's, more likely products built just for those cars (because let's face it - not many people will ever run a V8 9400 rpm ...) and they run TWO parallel systems, so that when the 'A' box fails, they can switch to the 'B' box. and there's the matter of the contingency money and outright sponsorship, which means they get 'stuff' (parts...) and money for running the products and showing the sticker on the side of the car. it's up to you what you run in your car. my opinion was solicited and i shared it. you've shared your opinion and you're entitled to it. i won't try to talk you out of it. |
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| Joe Bob |
Oct 19 2004, 08:25 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
I have the HI6 on three cars....including the 5.9 with a blower....
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| seanery |
Oct 19 2004, 08:43 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Petronix makes one as well.
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| Powerman |
Oct 19 2004, 09:00 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 24-November 03 From: Stafford, VA Member No.: 1,384 |
The MSD units that Nascar runs are special modified spec boxes done by a shop in Concord NC. They moved the two boxes up into the air near the windshield to reduce the temps. They still look like 6 series to me. I know the modified boxes are more reliable, my buddy has one in his FP car.
I got a Mallory Hyfire and a unilite for my FP car. For the reasons synthesisdv mentioned. An electromotive may be in the future if I can fabricate a trigger assembly. (I asked Santa for a Bridgeport mill for Xmas) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Oct 19 2004, 09:04 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(seanery @ Oct 19 2004, 07:43 PM) Petronix makes one as well. pertronix makes a box? |
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| seanery |
Oct 19 2004, 09:22 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
yup, talked to the Petronix folks at the Tweeks meet.
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| Brett W |
Oct 20 2004, 05:18 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,858 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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From all I have heard from other Production racers the Electromotive units have major problems with sensors randomly failing and pis poor customer service from the company. Now this is second hand info but I respect the opinion of these races.
I am going to try and adapt a Moroso Crank trigger from a SBC for my race motor. Maybe it will be better. |
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| maf914 |
Oct 20 2004, 06:38 AM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None
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From what I have read, NASCAR make its competitors use an approved ancient MSD box without microproccessors to prevent them from programming in traction control. This way teams can't tamper with the box and NASCAR doesn't have to try to beat a good programmer.
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| Doug Leggins |
Oct 20 2004, 10:59 AM
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I have a MSD 6AL, tach adapter and Pertronix on my 72 1.7. It makes a significant difference in the idle - much smoother idle than with points and no MSD. The car starts much easier with this set up than it does without. I also think that it is more responsive at low rpm.
When properly wired I have no issues with this set up and really like the improvements provided. Wire the pertronix incorrectly and it makes white smoke that smells horrible - wastes a few bucks too! |
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| Jake Raby |
Oct 20 2004, 11:11 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Mallory all the way...
To hell with MSD, they are junk for adjustability and tuning a nice curve because they have a set rate for a V8 application. I have tested a Mallory Vs a MSD on the dyno. The results should incriminate MSD for false advertising! I have seen alot of guys praise the MSD saying it makes for smoother idle and better cold starts- it does but thats about it! Mallory part# 4554101 ALL THE WAY! Every car I own has one except the 912 and its direct fire via EMS! |
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2004, 11:21 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,424 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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What about a wasted spark system? They seem pretty simple to set up and effective. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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