Rare 914-S for sale on Craiglist?, Only 1000 imported? Options

[MDG]

Tom,

Have you ever seen what Michael has done to my threads? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I feel your pain, but I'm pretty sure it's all in fun.

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[Tom_T]

Your welcome.

And no, I still stand by my theory that the entire "S" thing is the result of a heavy German accent and he was actually saying 'Ass.'

Not S.


Ass.

Who's heavy German accent??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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That was a joke, Tom.

Well then, he would've "Hess"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[MDG]

Well then, he would've "Hess"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Yes, That could be it.


Oh - watch yourself with Dave. He has squinty little beady eyes.

[scotty b]

I think there is some confusion due in part to two things.

1: two different subjects in the same thread ( the S designation, and the Yenko possibility )

2: people not paying attention to when that transition was made


There was never any implication that a S was aYenko. Yenko was simply brought up in the S discussion in relation to the rarity of the Yenko cars. It has since snowballed from there given the car I had a pic of with the odd stripe, and the since confirmed, Yenko/Porsche dealership connections.

At this point A 914S is an 914S, and a Yenko 914 is a Yenko 914. Let's stop confusing the two, and get on with the seperate subjects (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[balljoint]

Michael and Thomas, if you two get me tossed back in the sandbox then I will not be happy about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm gonna call the Yenko dealer from the Penguin phone tomorrow.

I will report back with my findings.

[Tom_T]

Michael and Thomas, if you two get me tossed back in the sandbox then I will not be happy about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm gonna call the Yenko dealer from the Penguin phone tomorrow.

I will report back with my findings.

I keep my Penguin on the Tellie, Dave! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Let us know what you find out.

Whenever I get back to PGH again, I can try to swing by Yenko P+A, but IIRC we have some members living in/around PGH who could go by sooner.

Since this wasn't a FS listing for the car per se - but about the "914-S" question, IMHO it's perfectly fine to delve into other "914 rarities & oddities" on here, since the topic started Jawja seems to be okay with it.

Also, Steve/smg914 had started this listing of the rarest 914s over on 914club.com which has some interesting production number data.

http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?show...254336&st=0

If we ever get a number on the "Yenko 914" it might be worthwhile to post that info there, as a non-factory "dealer special" - not too unlike the dealer 914-6/GT "dealer prep'd" cars using factory & some other aftermarket parts in some cases.

FYI - at one time I'd "guess-timated" the "early-`73 "914S"/914-2.0 production imported to the USA & marketed during the "914S" promotional period 8/72 - 3/73 at maybe something like 4,000+/-.

However, that was only a SWAG estimate based on a PCA generated chart with total `73 914 production for the 73MY x +/-8/12 of year x +/-60% to USA x +/-40% as 2.0's = 4,000+/- "914-S's" - & therefore it's nothing official, but a best guess when Murray & some had asked a couple of years ago.

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[dlkawashima]

FYI - at one time I'd "guess-timated" the "early-`73 "914S"/914-2.0 production imported to the USA & marketed during the "914S" promotional period 8/72 - 3/73 at maybe something like 4,000+/-.

However, that was only a SWAG estimate based on a PCA generated chart with total `73 914 production for the 73MY x +/-8/12 of year x +/-60% to USA x +/-40% as 2.0's = 4,000+/- "914-S's" - & therefore it's nothing official, but a best guess when Murray & some had asked a couple of years ago.

Tom, if you go with the number posted by bigporsche.com (17,991), you can eliminate one of your geusstimates. Using your formula, that would bring the total to 4822.
The fully optioned 2-liters have models designations 473644 and 473664. You would think there would be a way to get the full year production numbers of those two model numbers.

[ChrisFoley]

I keep my Penguin on the Tellie.

What's it doing there?

[gandalf_025]

I think the appropriate quote would be

"Oh, intercourse the penguin!"


Still funny..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTqC2T6q4E

[Tom_T]

I think the appropriate quote would be

"Oh, intercourse the penguin!"


Still funny..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTqC2T6q4E

You've jumped ahead in the bit Gandalf -

Chris was baiting us for the next line answering his/the bit's query:

"Standing!"

Now that's really bad that it comes to mind for me in such detail still today, but I spent 9 hours up & 19 back through a blizzard on a ski trip from SoCal to Tahoe in the late `80's, and our driver had the full set of Python TV show audio tapes, which we all played along with for those 28 mostly boring hours on the road! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ChrisFoley]

"Standing!"

... and to continue with the bit:

"Burma!"

"What'd you say Burma for?"

"I panicked."

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[Dave_Darling]

"It is now nine o'clock, time for the penguin on top of your television set to explode."

BOOM!

"How'd he know that?"

"It was an inspired guess."

[Tom_T]

FYI - at one time I'd "guess-timated" the "early-`73 "914S"/914-2.0 production imported to the USA & marketed during the "914S" promotional period 8/72 - 3/73 at maybe something like 4,000+/-.

However, that was only a SWAG estimate based on a PCA generated chart with total `73 914 production for the 73MY x +/-8/12 of year x +/-60% to USA x +/-40% as 2.0's = 4,000+/- "914-S's" - & therefore it's nothing official, but a best guess when Murray & some had asked a couple of years ago.

Tom, if you go with the number posted by bigporsche.com (17,991), you can eliminate one of your geusstimates. Using your formula, that would bring the total to 4822.
The fully optioned 2-liters have models designations 473644 and 473664. You would think there would be a way to get the full year production numbers of those two model numbers.

Good info Dave, so at an actual 65.04% - I was pretty close at guessing 60% of the914's coming to the USA (as commonly used in car mags. of the day for Porsche's overall ratio, as was the CA import/sales 40%).

The production numbers I used were about the same from the PCA publication in the pic below - but it breaks out the 2.0's, and I was just being lazy about not looking up my actual estimate number at post #172 in my 914-S topic over in the O&H Forum - so just said 4,000+/- & my actual SWAG estimate was 4800+/- at the post below, but it also gives timeframe & options info. to identify a "914 S" `73 914-2.0....

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...7851&st=160

Unfortunately, AFAIK or anyone knows, there were no records by model number - except LE's & 914-6's - for 914s nor any "specials" in the 911 line-up either. The 914 being a "mutt" also had limited info on the Kardex's - often leaving off the transaxle case no. (as with my 914-2.0's COA).


> Note that PCA even qualifies their numbers above as the best available info or estimates, but not exact/conclusive.

.

It's also interesting in that topic what Al Wiedeman says, recalling from he worked for the SoCal Porsche+Audi dealers:

"al weidman
post Sep 13 2010, 08:14 PM
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Let me add what I think I remember. I sold Porsche's at Kendon P/A and Circle P/A from the summer of 1969 to the fall of 1975. I sold some new 912's then basically all of the 914's. We installed Porsche crests on all 914 hoods, coco mats side stripes and radios, since we could get Clarions for about $40. Per customer's request, we did interior swaps, wheel swaps, exhaust installs and there were even 914 mud flaps. We also put side mouldings on many cars.
As far as the '73 2.0 goes, we believed it was going to be the 914s. We had the brochures and were told about all the improvements and it would have a broader appeal than the 914-6, which we had a hard time selling even at a discounted $5000 even, into 1972. Now comes the interesting part. We heard that the PCA was the lobbying group to drop the "s" as they were insulted that Porsche would even consider calling a 914 an "s". This would explain the time delay and also why the Brits were not advised to stop. In those days the 914-6 was the only 914 considered a real Porsche because the chassis were shipped to Porsche for completion. Even the 912 was suspecious to the 911 crowd and also not accepted by the 356er's either. Remember most Porsche buyers were enthusiasts and knew the cars and options well. Actually quite a lot of our 911's were special ordered. When the wealthy picked up on Porsche's is when they were only interested in "Which is the best or fastest one they make?" The 914 opened up a whole new crowd. I taught many girls how to drive a stick shift. If they would have made an automatic, they could have sold a million. I just don't think they had the capacity to do it. Also VW had planned to stop the car in '74, that's when Porsche stepped up and finished the run to '76 to have a transition car to the 924 and it's connection to Audi for production capacity and maintain an entry level Porsche. BTW I was awarded the "Salesman of the 1972 LA car show" by coming close to selling a car the one of the judges. I knew the cars and loved them, still do, although I have forgotten some of the options."

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[Tom_T]

"It is now nine o'clock, time for the penguin on top of your television set to explode."

BOOM!

"How'd he know that?"

"It was an inspired guess."

... thus proving I'm not the only Python manic on here! I even bought the DVD's & turned my now almost 24 year old son into one as a teen, much to my wife's chagrin! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ChrisFoley]

"They take them when they're small."

"What happens when they molt?"

"Lions don't molt."

"But penguins do. Therefore I've run rings around you logically."

"Oh, intercourse the penguin!"

[jockellis]

If it sells for that, it will validate P.T. Barnum's theory of predatory commerce.

[Mike Bellis]

IBLT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)


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[Tom_T]

If it sells for that, it will validate P.T. Barnum's theory of predatory commerce.

Since none of us out of GA have actually seen it to check condition, we can't say if it's a good price or not.

IMHO & according to the experts at NADA, Excellence, Hagerty & other comps (some posted above), it is right in the ballpark - aside from the seller's "914 S" mantra & non-OE stuff: "S" badge, Momo wheel, wrong year F&R bumpers, D-jet & modern radio (the correct Fuchs 2L wheels do come with it & the Mahle Baby-Gasburners" on there).

Many would gladly pay $15k for a well sorted rust-free 73 2.0, with a freshly overhauled motor & transaxle - even with those non-stock items, & the recognized comps support that, as does Hagerty's pricing guide! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Do you know more about this 914 Jock, or just putting in an opinion based on ...???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

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[Dave_Darling]

IBLT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

You're a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burger.gif)

--DD

[ChrisFoley]

I thought he bought a lottery ticket. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)