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> Bernie Bergmann Turbo Kit, anyone seen one?
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post Jan 16 2013, 10:59 AM
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gotta love the 2 techs in jeff's post. sandals!!! muttonchops are, were, groovy.
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post Jan 16 2013, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Jan 15 2013, 06:49 PM) *

There are various stories, but I remember Jake Raby saying it on the ShopTalkForms T4 board more than ten years ago. There was a contingent of Europeans who were turboing their engines and using 103 and 106 barrels, getting huge horsepower, but needing to five and six stud the heads to keep them sealed. Jake thought that practice was unacceptable so answered turbo questions with "you can't turbo a T4." How it got to 914's I'm not sure but Jake has a pretty strong personality so it became kind of a joke on STF to repeat that to any newby who asked turbo questions. The guys who repeated it most often were those Europeans who'd turboed their cars. They thought it was hilarious.



I wasn't the one who started it.. It was on the original "Club" site first then it was carried over the STF. We've built numerous Turbo T4 engines over the years and made over 400HP on pump gas, but those days are long gone.

Just figured I'd add that :-)
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post Jan 16 2013, 07:08 PM
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gotta love the 2 techs in jeff's post. sandals!!! muttonchops are, were, groovy.


So could you tell the 'car guys' by their black toe nails from dropping stuff on their toes all the time??? Seems an odd choice of footwear for that environment!!! LOL
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post Jan 16 2013, 07:08 PM
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Wasn't it Jenny's brother who started it...?
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post Jan 16 2013, 08:18 PM
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Wasn't it Jenny's brother who started it...?


I think so, but that was a long damn time ago.. Too many arguments since then to remember the details.
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post Jan 16 2013, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jan 16 2013, 08:59 AM) *

gotta love the 2 techs in jeff's post. sandals!!! muttonchops are, were, groovy.


So could you tell the 'car guys' by their black toe nails from dropping stuff on their toes all the time??? Seems an odd choice of footwear for that environment!!! LOL


Ha, they are southern CA.
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post Jan 16 2013, 08:42 PM
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post Jan 16 2013, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jan 16 2013, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE(tadink @ Jan 16 2013, 05:08 PM) *
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jan 16 2013, 08:59 AM) *
gotta love the 2 techs in jeff's post. sandals!!! muttonchops are, were, groovy.
So could you tell the 'car guys' by their black toe nails from dropping stuff on their toes all the time??? Seems an odd choice of footwear for that environment!!! LOL
Ha, they are southern CA.
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post Jan 16 2013, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 16 2013, 05:08 PM) *

Wasn't it Jenny's brother who started it...?


This is my recollection as well. But there are occasionally errors digging in the memory bits.... ;-)

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post Jan 17 2013, 02:32 AM
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post Jan 17 2013, 02:34 AM
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post Jan 17 2013, 02:35 AM
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post Jan 17 2013, 07:23 AM
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COOL PHOTOS!!! This is my younger son's high school car with a Sweep the Floor turbo he put together:

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It was only together a few weeks and he was still tuning it when a policeman followed him, evidently trying to figure out what all had gone on in that engine compartment. The motor shot a three foot flame out the exhaust and scared the shit out of the cop, who gave him a fix-it ticket for a modified exhaust. He was a poor college student so a whole new exhaust was out the question and that was the last of the turbo motor.... until the car got the Subaru. But that's a whole different story...


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post Jan 17 2013, 08:41 AM
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Cap'n started it.
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post Jan 17 2013, 08:45 AM
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Wait, we're not going to stop saying it are we?
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post Jan 17 2013, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jan 17 2013, 06:41 AM) *

Cap'n started it.


Jeez, blame everything on the Cap'n. Good thing he gives as good as he takes.
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post Jan 21 2013, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 01:33 PM) *

You can't turbo a 914.


Can too.

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post Jan 21 2013, 09:36 PM
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Does anyone sell an actual complete bolt on kit for the 914? Turbos seem to be popular for air cooled cars in North America (with Beetles mostly) but it has not really caught on here in Japan....the old air cooled guys still prefer a big bore motor with 48mm webers.
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post Jan 21 2013, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jan 17 2013, 06:41 AM) *

Cap'n started it.

Anything that can get a rouse from Jake and Capn in the same thread is gold.

Jake can't turbo anything, and Capn cant fix shit. Lol. (If you don't know that's kidding, go back to Scotty's kindergarten class.)
Now if we could get them both on the same build, it would sell a million DVDs if there still was such a thing (monetize via Youtube? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )
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post Jan 22 2013, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 06:43 PM) *

It's an old joke...don't remember how it started..probably an "expert"saying there was some mechanical or engineering limitation that prevented a type 4 from being turbocharged.


It was a tech Q&A letter to "european car" magazine. The "knowledgeable" editor responded pretty much with "you can't turbo a 914". This was at a time that SammyG had already built and sold a turbo 914 (single draw-through carb setup), Jenny's brother Jeff was in the middle of building up a D-jet turbo 914, and Evill Ed was I think also working on his CIS turbo 914. Lots of discussion on the Rennlist forum about that.

Someone wrote back to the mag, mentioning the above setups, and the response was fairly mocking. The carb setup was too simple and stupid, the others weren't done yet, blah blah blah blah.

It became a running joke, every time anyone mentioned turbocharging a 914...

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