Aluminum Taco Plate and Tuna Can Group Buy, CLOSED Options

[02loftsmoor]

The new Taco plate and oil sump came today Thank you Racer Chris

WES (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pirate.gif)

[NORD]

Recieved Tuna Can and gaskets today. Thanks Chris

[Harpo]

I got mine too. Thanks Chris & Neil

[euro911]

The Postman Always Rings Twice, but he only left one package here today. However, there are Tacos and Tunas (as ordered) in it for the following GB participants:

dfelz
Jim Hoyland
LotusJoe
KaptKaos
Pete000
Peterson ...

... and me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Let me know if you guys want to pick them up now, or grab them at the G&R (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[0396]

Mine arrived today

[Valy]

Got mine too but I think we have 3 issues:

1. The hole in the oil screen base needs to be wider for the adapter bolt to pass through - not a big issue, I'll just drill it bigger each time I change the screen.

2. The oil pickup tube extender is a bit too short. The tuna can depth extension is 28.5mm and there is an additional 1mm gasket (29.5mm total). The tube extender is 30.2mm in length so it only overlaps for 0.7mm with the tube. Practically, the oil-screen spring is the only thing keeping it in place. With a bit of vibration, it will get out and the pump will get oil from above the screen and tuna-can, making the upgrade void.

3. The pickup extension doesn't seal on the pickup tube. This means that the oil pump will suck oil/air from above the upper edge of the adapter. This actually makes the solution worst than the original since the oil level must be above the original pickup tube height minus the overlap. Quite the opposite to the purpose of the tuna can.

I'm open to solutions here. I would opt for a longer tube extender with some kind of sealant between the pickup and the extender but maybe someone has a better idea.

[0396]

Got mine too but I think we have 3 issues:

1. The hole in the oil screen base needs to be wider for the adapter bolt to pass through - not a big issue, I'll just drill it bigger each time I change the screen.

2. The oil pickup tube extender is a bit too short. The tuna can depth extension is 28.5mm and there is an additional 1mm gasket (29.5mm total). The tube extender is 30.2mm in length so it only overlaps for 0.7mm with the tube. Practically, the oil-screen spring is the only thing keeping it in place. With a bit of vibration, it will get out and the pump will get oil from above the screen and tuna-can, making the upgrade void.

3. The pickup extension doesn't seal on the pickup tube. This means that the oil pump will suck oil/air from above the upper edge of the adapter. This actually makes the solution worst than the original since the oil level must be above the original pickup tube height minus the overlap. Quite the opposite to the purpose of the tuna can.

I'm open to solutions here. I would opt for a longer tube extender with some kind of sealant between the pickup and the extender but maybe someone has a better idea.

Thanks for looking it over, I just tossed it in a bin for future use.

Chris, any suggestions?

[tscrihfield]

Got mine yesterday as well. Thanks to Euro, Chris and jonesy for setting this up and providing great parts!

Thomas

[StratPlayer]

Thanks Chris and all involved,,,, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

[02loftsmoor]

can you draw this out or put some shots together, maybe we could have the manufacture step up.

Wes

Got mine too but I think we have 3 issues:

1. The hole in the oil screen base needs to be wider for the adapter bolt to pass through - not a big issue, I'll just drill it bigger each time I change the screen.

2. The oil pickup tube extender is a bit too short. The tuna can depth extension is 28.5mm and there is an additional 1mm gasket (29.5mm total). The tube extender is 30.2mm in length so it only overlaps for 0.7mm with the tube. Practically, the oil-screen spring is the only thing keeping it in place. With a bit of vibration, it will get out and the pump will get oil from above the screen and tuna-can, making the upgrade void.

3. The pickup extension doesn't seal on the pickup tube. This means that the oil pump will suck oil/air from above the upper edge of the adapter. This actually makes the solution worst than the original since the oil level must be above the original pickup tube height minus the overlap. Quite the opposite to the purpose of the tuna can.

I'm open to solutions here. I would opt for a longer tube extender with some kind of sealant between the pickup and the extender but maybe someone has a better idea.

[ChrisFoley]

Chris, any suggestions?

I only took a quick look at the parts fitment with the strainer but I didn't get the sense that the extension sleeve was too short or that it could suck air from the slip joint at the top.
The sleeve fit on the pickup tube I checked was precise - I could move it by hand but not that easily.

I have a fresh engine nearly ready to take off the assembly stand that I can do a final assembly on and check for proper clearances.
I'll get some pictures and measurements for reference.
I'll also do a pressure test on the pickup tube to see if leakage is a possible issue.
Some kind of sealant could be used if there is slight leakage.

If one does not use a strainer screen I think the extension should be secured at a carefully set height off the bottom cover plate.

[euro911]

Got mine yesterday as well. Thanks to Euro, Chris and jonesy for setting this up and providing great parts!

Thomas

Hey, thanks to all of you guys as well. Iffin it weren't for you guys, we wouldn't have achieved the spectacular pricing we received.

Thank you also, Neil, for offering the GB, and a special thanks goes to Chris for nailing down the logistics and getting the products delivered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Valy]

Here is the drawing with with two mounting options. Each has it own drawbacks as described in my previous post.

[lonewolfe]

I received mine yesterday! The parts look great!

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[0396]

Here is the drawing with with two mounting options. Each has it own drawbacks as described in my previous post.

I'm no rocket scientist,but I perfer the first option. Chris, can way you can fab an 'extension' for the existing oil pick-up?.....maybe on the lines where one has to 'heat' the extension on the tube and let the extension shrink to fit.... sorry as there's another term for this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


Valy..many thanks for the drawing and noticing the "potential" concerns.

[euro911]

I haven't unwrapped my stuff yet, so I don't have a 'fix' to report.

The other style of tuna can I have has an internal o-ring to seal the extension tube against the original pick up tube, and it slides up onto the original tube more than 0.7mm.


Are you installing the sump with the OEM oil strainer screen, Val?

Maybe Neil needs to change the design of the extension tube to allow for more original tube coverage? ... and a sealing ring? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Valy]

I want to use the oil screen. I'll have to drill a bigger hole or maybe I'll extend the pickup bolt by 30mm so I can use the original nut.
The new nut doesn't seal on the screen bottom like the original so dirt from the bottom can be sucked back in the oil pump. That's an other issue with this but I think that the rod extension should be the easy part.

BTW, the added oil capacity is 190cc or 6.5oz.

[jonesy]

Chris, any suggestions?

I only took a quick look at the parts fitment with the strainer but I didn't get the sense that the extension sleeve was too short or that it could suck air from the slip joint at the top.
The sleeve fit on the pickup tube I checked was precise - I could move it by hand but not that easily.

I have a fresh engine nearly ready to take off the assembly stand that I can do a final assembly on and check for proper clearances.
I'll get some pictures and measurements for reference.
I'll also do a pressure test on the pickup tube to see if leakage is a possible issue.
Some kind of sealant could be used if there is slight leakage.

If one does not use a strainer screen I think the extension should be secured at a carefully set height off the bottom cover plate.

I'm glad to hear some of you are happy with your parts, and really sorry to hear that some of you are not.

Hopefully I can explain, and give some peace of mind to those with concerns.

The oil pickup tube extender doesn't need to go to the bottom of the tuna can, it should have 5-6 mm between the bottom of the sump and the oil pickup tube.

So you can place the new oil pickup tube 5-6mm on the original tube (with some fluid gasket, like Loctite 755 - for extra sealing if you prefer) you may also wish to put a spot of weld on the tube.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Neil (Jonesy)

[flash914]

Is the flang supost to sit on top of the screen I'm not sure what I am looking at yet but am thinking of making a longer tube and brasing it to my pick up since my engine is in pieces Gordon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Valy]

Chris, any suggestions?

I only took a quick look at the parts fitment with the strainer but I didn't get the sense that the extension sleeve was too short or that it could suck air from the slip joint at the top.
The sleeve fit on the pickup tube I checked was precise - I could move it by hand but not that easily.

I have a fresh engine nearly ready to take off the assembly stand that I can do a final assembly on and check for proper clearances.
I'll get some pictures and measurements for reference.
I'll also do a pressure test on the pickup tube to see if leakage is a possible issue.
Some kind of sealant could be used if there is slight leakage.

If one does not use a strainer screen I think the extension should be secured at a carefully set height off the bottom cover plate.

I'm glad to hear some of you are happy with your parts, and really sorry to hear that some of you are not.

Hopefully I can explain, and give some peace of mind to those with concerns.

The oil pickup tube extender doesn't need to go to the bottom of the tuna can, it should have 5-6 mm between the bottom of the sump and the oil pickup tube.

So you can place the new oil pickup tube 5-6mm on the original tube (with some fluid gasket, like Loctite 755 - for extra sealing if you prefer) you may also wish to put a spot of weld on the tube.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Neil (Jonesy)

Neil,

The pickup tube extender is too short to have only 5-6mm to the bottom of the sump like the original pickup did. The tuna can takes that bottom 30mm lower and the tube extension is 30mm total length so any overlap with the old tube will bring the oil pickup point higher.

Did you intend to mount the tube extension with the longer side up or down (see the 2 drawings I posted earlier)?

Also, how long id the thread in the new special nut you supplied? Is it only few mm near the edge or does it go deeper?

Thanks.