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> 1st auto-x next weekend, Next AX September 8th- only 7 points out of 3rd place with 3 events left!
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post May 17 2013, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(rwilner @ May 15 2013, 02:58 PM) *

Hey Scott,
I have a full set of Kumho V710 DOT R tires. Sounds like they'd push you out of your class, but if you want them, you can come get them for free. I'd say they have at least 50% left.

They're 205s and were mounted on factory Fuchs with no rubbing issues. Incidentally I also have 4 Fuchs if you're also interested in those (not for free!).


Thanks Rich,
I don't want to go to R spec tires this year, but I haven't decided yet what I'll do next season so I might double up on my road trip the CFR to get the other tires and visit you too (though I might still just bite the bullet and by new).
Shoot me a PM about the Fuchs when you have time - no rush...
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post May 29 2013, 12:14 PM
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Next AX is this Sunday.
I haven't had time to get down to CFR to borrow some tires so I'll be on the Eagle GT's again.
It would be nice to step up and catch the Stealth ahead of me - we'll see!
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post May 31 2013, 03:26 PM
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Where is the autox?

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post Jun 1 2013, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ May 31 2013, 05:26 PM) *

Where is the autox?

Rich


The parking lot at NHMS
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post Jun 3 2013, 08:12 AM
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My usual nemesis' weren't there, but I slid to a sixth place finish anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
It was a fun course though and I did have some good runs, I just didn't manage to step up as much as others did during the second set! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Here is how close we are running with PAX (times are rounded):

6th 30.9
5th 30.8
4th 30.7
3rd 30.6
2nd 30.5
1st 29.8 (ok we all got smoke by the guy in the S4)

Hopefully I can make it down to CFR before the next one and borrow some tires...

EDIT: Also, am I correctly grouped for PAX in C Stock?
I ask because on straight time I was 3rd fastest in the novice class, but PAX backed me up 3 spots.

Also, FWIW a mustang convertible that I have been beating all along put on tires and is now beating me in PAX (still slower real time)...
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:40 AM
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1st run before I remembered to turn off the fogs (I use them as daytime running lights).


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post Jun 3 2013, 11:55 AM
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might want an anti sway bar to help that car out.

running against an S4....you will never catch him.
Tires would certainly get you up one second...

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 3 2013, 01:55 PM) *

might want an anti sway bar to help that car out.

running against an S4....you will never catch him.
Tires would certainly get you up one second...

Rich


It has a stock front bar Rich
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post Jun 3 2013, 09:12 PM
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Can you move the top of the drop link closer to the bar?
I think there are adjustments on the stock bar, not sure though.

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post Jun 3 2013, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 3 2013, 11:12 PM) *

Can you move the top of the drop link closer to the bar?
I think there are adjustments on the stock bar, not sure though.

Rich



Not adjustable.
The body roll is why I was asking about 140 lbs. springs a few posts back.
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post Jun 3 2013, 09:39 PM
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Everything is adjustable (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Think about moving the top link about an inch closer to the main bar....

Drill, bolt, simple.

I have 180 lb rears and a 21mm front bar
Bilstiens all around.
Stiff as hell.

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post Jun 4 2013, 06:20 AM
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QUOTE(scott_in_nh @ Jun 3 2013, 10:19 PM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 3 2013, 11:12 PM) *

Can you move the top of the drop link closer to the bar?
I think there are adjustments on the stock bar, not sure though.

Rich



Not adjustable.
The body roll is why I was asking about 140 lbs. springs a few posts back.



It's a downhill slope from here buddy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 3 2013, 11:39 PM) *

Everything is adjustable (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Think about moving the top link about an inch closer to the main bar....

Drill, bolt, simple.

I have 180 lb rears and a 21mm front bar
Bilstiens all around.
Stiff as hell.


Ok, I'll take a look at moving the link.

I know I don't want the car as stiff as yours!
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post Jun 4 2013, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE(Woody @ Jun 4 2013, 08:20 AM) *


It's a downhill slope from here buddy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)



Yeah I know, but I have other expensive hobbies (like eating) that keep it all in check! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I've done a great job so far of not just throwing some new tires on the credit card!
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Take a look at the bar, the stock ones I have removed had multiple holes in the bar facing forward.
Its not as fine an adjustment as the one I have, but you dont need to fine tune, you need large steps right now to reduce body roll.

Dont move it more than one step at a time.
Get used to it..

Or do it like I know you will....but watch out for the front end pushing...
You dont want a super stiff front with a soft rear...
you want a balance, based upon everything else in your car.

A little bit more bar up front might solve this.

When is the next Autox?

I may have a few things you can borrow to stiffen it up for the event (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 4 2013, 03:03 PM) *

Take a look at the bar, the stock ones I have removed had multiple holes in the bar facing forward.
Its not as fine an adjustment as the one I have, but you dont need to fine tune, you need large steps right now to reduce body roll.

Dont move it more than one step at a time.
Get used to it..

Or do it like I know you will....but watch out for the front end pushing...
You dont want a super stiff front with a soft rear...
you want a balance, based upon everything else in your car.

A little bit more bar up front might solve this.

When is the next Autox?

I may have a few things you can borrow to stiffen it up for the event (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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Here is what I have

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The next one is June 30th.

Although the car rolls hard it is fairly balanced, but does push already....

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I would like to ask a real question.
Have you spun the car yet?
More than once (different types of turns?)

If not, you are not pushing it hard enough.
It takes one run to win...the rest are practice runs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You can take them in that car, but you need to dance on the edge of a spin...all the time.
So, you need to feel where that line is.

Only way I know how to teach that is to cross the line a few times.
Then you know where the line is.

Then you start feeling that wieght shift and how the car feels right before it spins.
You want to keep the car at that point of right before it spins...
Then its fun.

To me, its constantly moving from one potential spin to the next.
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I would suggest rear springs are the next upgrade...

Leave the bar...to hard to replace and not as worthwhile as rear springs.

You can also make (or find) other links for the horizontal piece..
If you get that drop link closer to the main bar, you will feel the results.

Me, I found a soft front and a stiff rear works best with the low power of the stock motor.
You need to get the car setup so you can fish tail it with the gas pedal...
That is motor, or suspension.

If you are low budget....think about rubber spacers in the rear springs.
Cheap to make, and wire them in place.

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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 4 2013, 02:12 PM) *

I would suggest rear springs are the next upgrade...

Leave the bar...to hard to replace and not as worthwhile as rear springs.

You can also make (or find) other links for the horizontal piece..
If you get that drop link closer to the main bar, you will feel the results.

Me, I found a soft front and a stiff rear works best with the low power of the stock motor.
You need to get the car setup so you can fish tail it with the gas pedal...
That is motor, or suspension.

If you are low budget....think about rubber spacers in the rear springs.
Cheap to make, and wire them in place.

rich

I agree that rear springs should be your next upgrade but come on Rich, spacers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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Yes I have lost the back end of the car a few times, usually in the slalom but it also comes out in the long sweepers when the power is down.

Everyplace else it pushes.

On my best run I got compliments from guys who didn't even see my time - they just liked the way I was driving it hard!

So I believe I am driving with the aggresivness that you are looking for Rich (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If you look in the classifieds you will see where I already put a WTB for rear springs so it sounds like I'm doing what I can on my budget.

Making shorter arms for the front bar wouldn't be that hard, but I just don't have the time.
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