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| Chris H. |
 Jan 23 2017, 12:18 AM
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Yeah putting it in there should be a snap. Just have to fab an exhaust and wire it. Does the EMS Stinger run wasted spark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) ?
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| A&P Mech |
Jan 23 2017, 06:43 AM
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I did talk to the Outfront guys and they did confirm that the Stinger will run an EZ30. If I was going to go EZ30R I would probably use the Stinger. I plan on using the OEM ECU for the EZ30D. I will try to sell the Stinger, wiring harness, oil pan, axles and alternator bracket in the classifieds or on eBay.
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| 76-914 |
Jan 23 2017, 10:21 AM
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If your running A/C I'll post the "work around" pulley for the PS pump. My PS pump bearings went about 5,000 miles once I removed the vanes from the pump. I'm pretty sure they added support to the shaft and the bearing so I made a something that uses the OEM PS pump bracket. It allows you to keep the OEM 6 rib belt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| A&P Mech |
Jan 24 2017, 06:51 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 10-September 13 From: United States Member No.: 16,371 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I haven't really thought about A\C. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I would like to see the solution that you came up with.
With this motor swap, I do want to get some kind of heat in the car. Ross went with an electric heater that looks pretty easy to install. It provides instant heat and no water lines to hook up. http://dcthermal.com/product/sd12-5000-12-...-ducted-heater/ It is a bit pricey and it pulls a lot of current. 50 amps! |
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| 76-914 |
Jan 24 2017, 08:56 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,652 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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The heater gets hot within 2 minutes since Subaru has the dedicated heater circuit. Welcome to the 6 madness. Your going to love that engine. And since your going w/ the factory ECU, I'll bet it's back on the road very quickly. Good choice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| Chris H. |
Jan 24 2017, 09:10 AM
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I'm looking at putting heat in myself. If you search the older posts you'll find solutions that allow putting the heater core into the stock 914 fresh air box. Based on my research the core that sounds best to me is the mid-90's (94+) Mustang core. It fits in the box and the lines run out the side so minimal cutting.
Mustang Heater Core Then you need a heater valve. I think I stole this from Mike Bellis but if you use a Rabbit valve you can hook it up to your stock controls. It's cheap too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Audi-VW-Heater...sUn&vxp=mtr And to run the 5/8 lines I picked up these tees to run to run the lines from underneath just before where the main ones go through the trunk so they can go straight up to the core and back down. Rabbit Valve The only thing to consider is how to ensure good flow. There are small pumps you can get to assist if need be. If you add all this up it's what...$80 ish so if you can get the system Ross used for $140 it might be a good option. The stock 914 rear blower motor draws quite a bit of current and would not be used in either scenario so you could wire the system in to that. WAIT...I just added one of those systems to a cart...$255. Still not too bad for plug and play. |
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| A&P Mech |
Jan 25 2017, 06:51 AM
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Wow Chris thanks for all the info! I do like the idea of using the stock fresh air box and the price makes it a very tempting option.
I would have to troubleshoot my fresh air fan. It doesn't work. I took the box out and cleaned it up. I can get the fan to run with an external power supply but not with the controls in the car. It is time to pull the control levers out and do some troubleshooting. |
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| JRust |
Jan 25 2017, 03:06 PM
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Just had a buddy contact me about a WRX motor if you haven't totally decided to do your six. So if you aren't set on your six. He was getting set to put it in his 914 when plans changed.
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| rnellums |
Jan 25 2017, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Jan 25 2017, 02:06 PM)  Just had a buddy contact me about a WRX motor if you haven't totally decided to do your six. So if you aren't set on your six. He was getting set to put it in his 914 when plans changed. Displacement? |
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| mgp4591 |
Jan 25 2017, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(A&P Mech @ Jan 24 2017, 05:51 AM) I haven't really thought about A\C. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I would like to see the solution that you came up with. With this motor swap, I do want to get some kind of heat in the car. Ross went with an electric heater that looks pretty easy to install. It provides instant heat and no water lines to hook up. http://dcthermal.com/product/sd12-5000-12-...-ducted-heater/ It is a bit pricey and it pulls a lot of current. 50 amps! I knew he was planning on that heater unit but hadn't heard how the operation came out. It looks like it would plumb into the stock system so you could use your vent controls as needed. I'm not sure if I'd want to plumb the heater lines up to the air box at this point if I could get a reliable electric heater. |
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| A&P Mech |
Jan 25 2017, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Jan 25 2017, 02:06 PM) Just had a buddy contact me about a WRX motor if you haven't totally decided to do your six. So if you aren't set on your six. He was getting set to put it in his 914 when plans changed. Thanks for the offer but I am pretty sure I want to get a six. |
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| rnellums |
Jan 25 2017, 07:10 PM
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Mixed reviews so far on it. I got it up and running today, and it certainly doesn't blow me away with heat. In the 15 minute drive home there is definitely a difference in inside temperature, but I'm sure less than with traditional heat.
It's not plumbed up to the defrost vents yet (just circulating in cabin) so maybe that will change things a bit. I'm not convinced to keep it yet. |
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| mgp4591 |
Jan 26 2017, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(rnellums @ Jan 25 2017, 06:10 PM) Mixed reviews so far on it. I got it up and running today, and it certainly doesn't blow me away with heat. In the 15 minute drive home there is definitely a difference in inside temperature, but I'm sure less than with traditional heat. It's not plumbed up to the defrost vents yet (just circulating in cabin) so maybe that will change things a bit. I'm not convinced to keep it yet. I'm guessing you got the one with the highest BTU output. It seems odd that the one that's the highest rated for the application doesn't do justice in a small cabin of a 914... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| Chris H. |
Jan 26 2017, 08:58 AM
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I'm just about to do my heater so you can watch me screw mine up in about 2 weeks and then improve on it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . The only concern I would have is flow with mine. How does the fluid come from Waaayyy down low up to the highest point with any velocity? The previous posts say that as long as you have it plumbed with the flow of the water pump it should work ok.
Hey BTW I also learned that the occasional "automatic ECU stall" that comes from using an auto ECU with a manual car might be fixed by just installing a switch at the clutch that tells the ECU when the clutch is in, thereby in "neutral" keeping the idle stable. Just FYI since the manual ECUs tend to be more expensive. |
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| 76-914 |
Jan 26 2017, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 26 2017, 06:58 AM) The only concern I would have is flow with mine. How does the fluid come from Waaayyy down low up to the highest point with any velocity? The previous posts say that as long as you have it plumbed with the flow of the water pump it should work ok. It also goes down the same distance so it's a moot point. Any flow restrictions will come from turns, flat spots/ovaling in the hose and fittings installed enroute. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| JRust |
Jan 26 2017, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 26 2017, 06:58 AM) I'm just about to do my heater so you can watch me screw mine up in about 2 weeks and then improve on it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . The only concern I would have is flow with mine. How does the fluid come from Waaayyy down low up to the highest point with any velocity? The previous posts say that as long as you have it plumbed with the flow of the water pump it should work ok. Hey BTW I also learned that the occasional "automatic ECU stall" that comes from using an auto ECU with a manual car might be fixed by just installing a switch at the clutch that tells the ECU when the clutch is in, thereby in "neutral" keeping the idle stable. Just FYI since the manual ECUs tend to be more expensive. I had my heater in the stock airbox before I screwed it all up trying to get A/C in there as well. I just have a t from my radiator lines below. It absolutely gave out plenty of heat. I also had a shut off valve under my hood. So when it wasn't cold outside I would completely shut the flow of hot water off. Absolutely worked great. I have kicked myself multiple times for screwing up that setup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) . MY new a/c Box McMark made is sitting in it's space now. I haven't done a damn thing to get it hooked up though. Waiting on my motor swap to do the a/c. I've thought of having another heater core made & swapping back as I just capped my lines there. So be super easy to get hooked back up. Would have been much handier over the last year to have the heat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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| jd74914 |
Jan 26 2017, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Jan 26 2017, 11:24 AM) I had my heater in the stock airbox before I screwed it all up trying to get A/C in there as well. I just have a t from my radiator lines below. It absolutely gave out plenty of heat. I also had a shut off valve under my hood. So when it wasn't cold outside I would completely shut the flow of hot water off. Absolutely worked great. I have kicked myself multiple times for screwing up that setup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) . MY new a/c Box McMark made is sitting in it's space now. I haven't done a damn thing to get it hooked up though. Waiting on my motor swap to do the a/c. I've thought of having another heater core made & swapping back as I just capped my lines there. So be super easy to get hooked back up. Would have been much handier over the last year to have the heat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Do you have some pictures of your old setup? And new for that matter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| A&P Mech |
Apr 1 2017, 06:27 AM
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Apr 1 2017, 08:11 AM
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Did somebody get bit by the Horsepower Bug? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| 1stworks |
Apr 1 2017, 08:46 AM
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Nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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