HELP!! broke chopsticks in combustion chamber, anyone for chinese? Options

[mharrison]

QUOTE (swood @ Jan 4 2005, 08:07 PM)

Next to the gynocological method, I'd suggest the following.  Similar to the filling the cylinder with water (why would anyone do that on purpose (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) ) put the motor on a turnable stand, fill the cylinder with oil

Well, I did post farther down in my post that you could test other fluids (such as oil) I just wasn't sure that oil would float the chopstick.

Now as for who would put water in an engine......who would put chopsticks in an engine? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) I've heard there are some engines that have water in the engine, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) But I don't think even any of the ricers have chopsticks in the engine.

Just kidding....I've used drinking straws and screwdrivers...I just didn't have a chopstick handy in the garage! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

You know, like was said, we've all pulled some good ones. This thread is just TOO ENTERTAINING.
Unfortunately, it's at the expense of an owner and a teener that is down right now.

I am eagerly awaiting the results of whatever method might have worked.

[tracks914]

One other thing I have used is a long 1/2" drive extention.
Just remember to keep one hand on it and keep it free while you are turning the engine (by hand) It won't ever break off in the engine. works for me.
But where is "chop stick boy" anyway? Hello? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[Aaron Cox]

I talked with John (aka opera guy)...

he has been too busy to mess with his car (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

[Sammy]

Sigh. A little late, but here's my 2 pennies worth:

a few months ago I was putting together my six and I needed to find TDC #1 cylinder.
I didn't stick anything in the cylinder except a compression gauge. i watched the gauge as i turned the engine over by hand and when I started getting to TDC the gauge jumped to about 5 psi.
No drama, works slick as long as you have a mark on your pulley or fan or flywheel to look at to find exact TDC.
If you don't have any of those marks you have more problems that stuff in your cylinder.

Bottom line? I recommend to anyone who cares to listen that you don't stick stuff in your engine that don't belong there. If you can't put your finger over the hole to feel the compression, use a tool that is made to do just that.
They are cheap so money isn't the problem.

[opera guy]

aint married life a beach? hehehe. no time to work on my car, borrowing dad's lexus for the moment.

914 is stored in a safe garage.

i have tried.

1. cloth hanger, straight, curved, and double curved (two rods, both curved) but cant feel the chopsticks.

2. 3/4 inch outer diameter tubing attatched to 3/4 HP shopvac.. pretty descent amount of suction, but still not enough.

3. bought Xylene, and dip another stick of chopstick in there, does absolutely nothing. i was gonna get Tululene (sp?) but they (Lowel's didnt have any)

4. turn the car upside down and shake (ala beach sand in guitar method) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) just kidding, didnt to that one

for now, i'll have to do without that car for a few more days til i can do the engine drop (by myself) then tear the head open. i really want to do it anyway. just hate to be doing it to a motor that has less than 500 miles (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

[Rhodes71/914]

Sorry to here that you haven't gotten it out yet but thanks for the update, we have all been unpatiently waiting.

[IronHillRestorations]

You might try a piece of welding wire with some 3M Scotch33 electric tape on the end. Wrap enough around the wire so you know it won't come off, and leave some adhesive exposed.

You should be able to bend the wire enough to feel the plastic in the bottom of the cylinder.

Have you backed off the piston so it isn't on TDC? The piece may be in a bind? It could also be right against the cylinder head, which would make it straight down from the spark plug hole, and possibly a little hard to reach.

[ChrisFoley]

I would test a chopstick to see if it floats in water. It won't float in oil if it won't float in H2O.
With the piston near TDC it doesn't take a lot of water to fill the combustion chamber.
If it floats you can use a wet vac to remove the water after fishing for the chopstick.

[URY914]

What was the name of the hooker that was caught with Hugh Grant years ago?

Just a thought.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[DJsRepS]

Thanks for at least trying one of my wak ideas Zylene some plastics do desolve quickly. How about droping the exaust pipe, use the valve adjustment to crank open the exaust if needed, and same method to close the intake, spark plug out, then pipe the consistant CFM of air flow from the blowing side of a 3to 5hp shop vac or good gas leaf blower, then with that light I showed you from Sears you will see the thing churning around from all the air blowing in the bottom exaust valve. While doing this slightly move the crank and piston incase it is already binded in there. (3 reasons to use blower instead of an Air compressor.... 1. blower will reamain consistant pressure and flow for an hour if needed. Most home compressors would fall flat in 6osec it would running and blowing at 4o psi if your lucky and with low CFM. 2. Moisture most home air compressors with short hoses and lack of maintaince eg draining the tank will definitly blow some water in the motor. After running alot the tank and hose get warm alowing more water down the hose. 3. The hookup is easy for the blower. Shop vac 2.5"x1.25 adaptor with normal 1.25dia plastic vacuume hose, slit the end of the hose if nessary to fit it to the exaust port. Then use the light wand from Sears to watch the action in the cylinder. Its wand is long enough to hit the piston on the down stroke and will light the whole chamber.

I hope this makes up for the comments others made about my fire that muther up post. I didnt think of clearance problems if a piece held a valve open too far.

PS OT if you ever have used Goof Off from a paint store, used for tar. marker, tree sap removal and 101 other things Zylene does all just the same so dont toss it, it's good stuff.

[ChrisFoley]

The obvious problem with using a solvent is that the residue will surely end up in the rings and promply ruin the engine when it is run. It won't burn off in the rings, but it will carbonize.
My guess is the chopsick is made of styrene and PB blaster might dissolve it better than xylene.

[Bruce Allert]

QUOTE (opera guy @ Dec 31 2004, 04:40 PM)

then, snap, my chopstick broke in half. half was hanging out the sparkplug hole, the other half fell in!

I keep coming back to this thread cuz I'm having trouble invisioning what happened. I've done this with a pencil (eraser down on the piston) turned wheel, watch it go up... no problems. What actually caused the stick to break?

OK, so....
Chopsticks are what, 7 to 8" long? (at least the ones I've used are). This is what I'm having trouble with... if said stick is the above mentioned length and half of it is in the cylinder it's gonna be mighty hard to float then retreive that 3-4" piece from within due to its length and the size of the spark plug hole. Also, most chopsticks are at least 3/16's to a 1/4" thick. I doubt if it would pass thru the valve clearance... think of the angle it would need to be at in order for it to do that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

If (a very big IF) a fishing excursion were to be successful I'd start by getting the most area available by having the piston at its lowest to enable my moving the stick to an appropriate place and grabbing the end of the stick.

Success would prolly be total luck since this movement would be like driving while blind (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

but it'd be fun trying (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) (for awhile) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

....b

[Trekkor]

I have a tremendous patience level.

If I was nearby, you could just sit in the house tiltin' coldies while I do it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

KT

[Rockaria]

I have also been having a hard time with how the chopstick broke. So I made this annimation to help. I think a 2.0 head would not have broke, but a 1.7 or 1.8 would have due to the angle of the hole and the cylinder.

(IMG:http://www.rockaria.com/914/chopchop.gif)

[Root_Werks]

QUOTE (Rockaria @ Jan 6 2005, 08:04 AM)

I have also been having a hard time with how the chopstick broke. So I made this annimation to help. I think a 2.0 head would not have broke, but a 1.7 or 1.8 would have due to the angle of the hole and the cylinder. (IMG:http://www.rockaria.com/914/chopchop.gif)

That is a cool motion picture of the chopstick incodent. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif)

[Joe Bob]

Don't let SLITS see that animation....he'll get all flusstery.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif)

[DJsRepS]

Nice post Rockaria and good work. Now lets see the one where we get the stick out.

[Lou W]

If the chop stick does not fit, you must acquit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Rockaria]

QUOTE (DJsRepS @ Jan 6 2005, 10:48 AM)

Nice post Rockaria and good work.  Now lets see the one where we get the stick out.

You mean the picture where the poor guys engine is sitting on the garage floor with the head off?

If you ask me, That is the only way the chop stick part(s) are coming out. The only way to know for sure its all out and clean. If anything went in to my Engine like that... ChopChop DropDrop!

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"friends don't let friends eat Chineese right before working on their 914!" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

[Joe Ricard]

Damn thats alot better picture than the cam lobe to gear thing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

I woulda had the motor apart and back in already. It's not really that hard.