 Lifter fund- Over budget!, Help a serious cause! |
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| Jake Raby |
 Jan 6 2005, 01:13 PM
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Engine Surgeon  Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States  |
Okay guys....
Before we can go to another level with the lifter/cam testing its gonna take some contributions from some generous enthusiasts. We don't need any big contributions at all, even if I could get a dollar from everyone that we know needs these lifters from various forums that I visit it would probably be enough to finish up the testing and get the developments made. I know thousands of people are building or will be building these engines and they would all benefit from this testing and development. The one thing about the VW ? Porsche world that I have always been impressed with is our brotherhood and ability to help each other whether thats on the side of the road , despite the severity. Consider this as helping your brother off the side of the road before his engine dies! I have spent 12,000 bucks of my own money (not including what the since July trying to get these issues resolved and thus far have seen some very odd trends as well as some barriers that we just can't get past without even more money needing to be spent on parts. I originally thought that I would never be working on this for this long! We figured that no more than 3 months would be needed or no more than about 4-5 thousand bucks would be needed to get a solid answer. We have even more tests planned and there is light at the end of the tunnel and finally we started seeing some positive results. I never thought this would take this long or be this expensive. I don't have an unlimited budget and the cam/lifter manufacturers won't send us any more freebies (never got many in the first place). I hate to give up at this point and I really refuse to, but its just hurting the wallet badly and taking away from other developments so much that I can't go further. My goal is to create a cam and lifter arrangement that can be installed in any engine with the same integrity that was previously available with the Old Johnson lifters. In those days we could bolt any engine together with any spring tension, not even break the cam and lifters in any special way and get a guaranteed 100K+ miles from it. Even though we have worked through to the point where serious failures are not happening right away, we still are seeing too much wear and every time an engine is fired up the first time its like Russian Roulette! Off the shelf, Web Cam and their lifters are still the best bet. Not perfect at this point but the best available. I am not going to be happy until we get this resolved. Any help you can give us would be appreciated by the entire Type IV industry. Our paypal address is info@massivetype4.com (thats the corrected one I edited the addy) I'll keep giving my time, but just can't keep spending money on cams and lifters. |
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| J P Stein |
Jan 6 2005, 04:02 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
..If you never plan to build a T4 then STFU.
Pardon me, sir, but does that mean shut the fuck up? |
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| Rhodes71/914 |
Jan 6 2005, 04:08 PM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
Canceled and changed address.
Sean |
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| Joseph Mills |
Jan 6 2005, 04:10 PM
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on a Sonoma diet now... Group: Members Posts: 1,482 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Oklahoma City, OK Member No.: 39 |
Yeah, it's workin' fine now. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
And thanks for all your efforts with TIV's and your contributions to the 914 forum. |
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| spunone |
Jan 6 2005, 04:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 945 Joined: 6-April 04 From: Anaheim CA Member No.: 1,901 Region Association: Southern California |
Jake what I don't get is why can't anybody copy the johnson lifter is it material or the way it's machined.Or maybe we can tract down an ex employee and squeeze the info out of him.Just thinking out loud (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 6 2005, 04:39 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Nobody did it like Johnson!
BUT, the problem goes deeper than just the lifters. BTW- If you never plan on building a T4 please don't contribute. A few guys have so far, but they may never get to benefit from it and while I appreciate it its not totally fair. No payments have went through the shrouds account. It doesn't exist... Thanks to all who have helped! We have about 250 bucks so far and that will get us quite a few test pieces processed. |
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| Stephane |
Jan 6 2005, 04:43 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 13-February 04 From: New Brunswick, Canada Member No.: 1,653 |
Keep up the good work. Keep us informed (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
Stephane |
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| type11969 |
Jan 6 2005, 05:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,231 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Collingswood, NJ Member No.: 1,410 Region Association: North East States |
Jake-
Money sent and well spent, least I can do for all the information you have imparted to all of us here and on the stf. Looking forward to hearing the results. -Chris |
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| rhodyguy |
Jan 6 2005, 05:36 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,107 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
no paypal. do you have one of those boxes with a red flag on it? could you provide an adress?
kevin |
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| DJsRepS |
Jan 6 2005, 05:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Sarasota Florida Member No.: 3,060 |
Is the Johnson lifter a roller type? What are the tests being done? Would pic's be much trouble? A pic is worth a thousand words they say.
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 6 2005, 06:27 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Read all about it here
Aircooled Technology Research There are three different links you can follow from that page. Just read the headings and follow them.. One person contributed TWO HUNDRED bucks! WHEW! All i was looking for was maybe 5 bucks! My mailing address is: Raby Enterprises Inc Attn R&D 47 Raby Drive Cleveland GA 30528 THANKS! I'll post a tally later tonight! |
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| Ray Warren |
Jan 6 2005, 06:48 PM
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Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 415 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Canada Member No.: 1,214 Region Association: None  |
Done
Keep up the good work. |
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| d7n7master |
Jan 6 2005, 06:53 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Hey Jake!!!
I won't give up - You don't give up!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) You've come too far in support of OUR passion. Would it be cool if I sent you a $100.00 check or money order for one of your videos??? I 'effing hate paypal. |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 6 2005, 06:56 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Sure!
Send it on in and I'll send you one of both of my videos for your gracious contribution!!! |
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| d7n7master |
Jan 6 2005, 06:59 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Jake. Pick your poison. Check or Moneyorder???
Thanks!!! |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 6 2005, 07:05 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Check is fine..
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| URY914 |
Jan 6 2005, 07:06 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,260 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Jake,
You got my $10.00. I'll donate 10% of all my parts sales to the cause. The info you have provided to us for free over the years is priceless. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I feel like a venture capitalist. Paul |
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| Dominic |
Jan 6 2005, 07:08 PM
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Dominic Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Vacaville, CA Member No.: 149 Region Association: Northern California |
Jake,
I'll donate to the cause. Thanks for all of your research, time and efforts that you put into the type 4. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) When are you going to start taking deposits for the new 2.0L Rods???? I'm ready to shell out for that as well (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 6 2005, 07:10 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Don't know on the rods just yet... Keep watching for news..
Thanks for the help! Looks like I'll be ordering more cams and lifters tomorrow! |
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| DuckRyder |
Jan 6 2005, 07:21 PM
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Avatars Mode: OFF because of the recalcitrant few. Group: Benefactors Posts: 767 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Georgia Member No.: 110 |
had to put the .htm on it. http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/research.htm Snail mail on the way, I'm peeved at paypal. |
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| d7n7master |
Jan 6 2005, 07:26 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Jake,
Done deal. I'll mail a check tomorrow. And here's to an end to the madness (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Kick some developmental ASS!!! BTW - a 3 month engineering development plan that changes material, geometry, or sometimes even processes generally takes close to one year at an aircraft company in Long Beach, Ca. So cheer up! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) You no doubt have more engineering data in 3 mo's than we do in 6 mo's. Rock On! |
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