914-6/904 project begins Options

[Mr. Olympic Blue 2 You]

I just have 1 question.
Is a 904 replica made out of a historically significant race car considered an outlaw?
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[bigkensteele]

This reminds me of a FS ad I put up on Pelican a few years ago when I had my 911. When I bought it, the gauges had red faces, which was not an entirely out-of-the-norm mod, but not my taste. I found a set to replace them and then put them up for sale on Pelican.

Good God All Mighty! It was as if I had posted a drawing of Mohamed on the ISIS "Sex Slaves for Sale" forum. The thread was inundated with comments about how terrible they were. Any potential buyers were obviously put into place as to where the "crowd" felt about such a modification, and essentially shamed into not purchasing them. I still have them.

I pray that is not what we are becoming here. Anyone who really, really thinks that this car should be preserved has the opportunity right now to step up and front the cash to make that happen. It is very rare that I find myself disagreeing with Rob or Rick, but in this case, if you think that this car is that important, then form a consortium with the others who agree and buy the car. He isn't holding it ransom. He just wants to be made whole for what he has spent and where he is at on his project. If that can't happen, then maybe this car really isn't that important.

The first MLB night game to be played under lights was at Crowsley Field here in Cincinnati. Sorry to say that Crowsley and all he built is long gone, but life goes on.

[ConeDodger]

This reminds me of a FS ad I put up on Pelican a few years ago when I had my 911. When I bought it, the gauges had red faces, which was not an entirely out-of-the-norm mod, but not my taste. I found a set to replace them and then put them up for sale on Pelican.

Good God All Mighty! It was as if I had posted a drawing of Mohamed on the ISIS "Sex Slaves for Sale" forum. The thread was inundated with comments about how terrible they were. Any potential buyers were obviously put into place as to where the "crowd" felt about such a modification, and essentially shamed into not purchasing them. I still have them.

I pray that is not what we are becoming here. Anyone who really, really thinks that this car should be preserved has the opportunity right now to step up and front the cash to make that happen. It is very rare that I find myself disagreeing with Rob or Rick, but in this case, if you think that this car is that important, then form a consortium with the others who agree and buy the car. He isn't holding it ransom. He just wants to be made whole for what he has spent and where he is at on his project. If that can't happen, then maybe this car really isn't that important.

The first MLB night game to be played under lights was at Crowsley Field here in Cincinnati. Sorry to say that Crowsley and all he built is long gone, but life goes on.

Ken,
He was offered more than he has in it. He could be made whole. That is apparently not what he wants. He holds the cards. It's his to do with what he will...
But when you get to the track, those guys care a lot more about history. It will always be the car that was made out of a historically significant race car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

This reminds me of a FS ad I put up on Pelican a few years ago when I had my 911. When I bought it, the gauges had red faces, which was not an entirely out-of-the-norm mod, but not my taste. I found a set to replace them and then put them up for sale on Pelican.

Good God All Mighty! It was as if I had posted a drawing of Mohamed on the ISIS "Sex Slaves for Sale" forum. The thread was inundated with comments about how terrible they were. Any potential buyers were obviously put into place as to where the "crowd" felt about such a modification, and essentially shamed into not purchasing them. I still have them.

I pray that is not what we are becoming here. Anyone who really, really thinks that this car should be preserved has the opportunity right now to step up and front the cash to make that happen. It is very rare that I find myself disagreeing with Rob or Rick, but in this case, if you think that this car is that important, then form a consortium with the others who agree and buy the car. He isn't holding it ransom. He just wants to be made whole for what he has spent and where he is at on his project. If that can't happen, then maybe this car really isn't that important.

The first MLB night game to be played under lights was at Crowsley Field here in Cincinnati. Sorry to say that Crowsley and all he built is long gone, but life goes on.

Ken,
He was offered more than he has in it. He could be made whole. That is apparently not what he wants. He holds the cards. It's his to do with what he will...
But when you get to the track, those guys care a lot more about history. It will always be the car that was made out of a historically significant race car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

You guys are really missing the point. Let's concede that I was offered enough to cover what I have in the car, by one guy, maybe a little more, but still not enough to get me into a running driving six conversion. Every car I was offered was well into $25,000-40,000. So once again, why am I supposed to take a $$$ hit to pass this car onto someone? I don't see any of you guys willing to take a hit when I wanted to buy a six conversion. Cars that less than a year ago would have been about $10,000-15,000 are now double that. I know because I went back a year into classifieds here and on Pelican, but now that the market is up on all air-cooled Porsches everyone wants big money for their conversions, not because they have more in them but because they think they are worth more. Great, that's a free market economy, but don't act all communist when it's time for me to sell my car.
My 60 Roadster, I horse traded a rough Roadster project and a 73 911S for it about 10 years ago, but am I supposed to sell it for around that, or the $125,000 it's worth now? You can read the full story here when I wrote it up in the Early S Reg magazine:

[r_towle]

Adam, how much do you want for the car?
Put a number on the table, if it's met, off you go..
If it's not met, break out the tools and start your project.


Shea may be the one to buy it.....

[Unobtanium-inc]

Adam, how much do you want for the car?
Put a number on the table, if it's met, off you go..
If it's not met, break out the tools and start your project.


Shea may be the one to buy it.....

R-
I don't want to sell it, the car works for my needs on the project. A bunch of guys are saying they want to save it, so I said I would sell it, but I need enough money to replace it.
Are you coming to the open house on the 5th?

[jmitro]

this thread is amusing, with all the armchair quarterbacking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Let the guy do whatever he wants, it's his car.

Good luck with this awesome project (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[ThePaintedMan]

You're the one who said you're in the business of flipping Porsches. If you did your due diligence I'm pretty sure you'd come out quite on top if you sold it and found another donor. Your car, do what you want. But we're still allowed to have an opinion.

Whatever you do, FINISH IT. I just get sick of seeing decent tubs cut up because someone wanted to make a hot-rod 914, then they never finish it, effectively ruining it for the next person.

[RoadGlue]

R-
I don't want to sell it, the car works for my needs on the project.

There we have it ladies and gentlemen.

You toyed with the group for pages saying that you'd let it go if someone presented a serious offer. However it was clear when you wouldn't list a price that you were just blowing smoke. Thanks for finally just saying that the "car is not for sale." Right?

If it's for sale, then list a price. If it's not then don't beat around the bush and make it sound like this car could be rescued from this project.

IIRC, this car's last chance at being saved is if you find that the kit won't fit on the other donor car.

Just trying to make sure I and others understand. Perhaps I'm a bit slow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[iwanta914-6]

I really don't care one way or the other. I think though he is basically saying he needs $30K+ so that he can turn around and go buy a Six Conversion to cut up. Otherwise it's just easier to continue with this car because the price fit the budget he had in place for this project.

There are plenty of cars with racing provenance rotting away in junk yards, at least this one can live on under a different skin.

[gms]

There are plenty of cars with racing provenance rotting away in junk yards, at least this one can live on under a different skin.

Really are you sure there are? real IMSA developed cars? please point me to them because all the other IMSA 914s that I know of are in car collections

[dug]

I wouldn't post again but he's calling my offer mediocre.

I offered him a very nice chassis, all transportation costs both ways and the work to swap engines because I want to keep my twin plug 2.8 RSR motor with PMOs. For all his complaing, if that had happened I would have spent a LOT more getting that car ready than mine.

I never said what I paid for the chassis, but he never asked. Pretty sure he missed out:) Mediocre offer indeed.

I also never said who would do the work, and he never asked. I was actually planning to have my friend who currently works at Jerry Woods' shop do the work, because I have too much to do at work.

I think its hilarious that he keeps complaining about spending thousands on doing some mechanical work to get the car ready on a forum where most readers are serious DIYers. Dropping out the engine and trans is an afternoon job with only a floor jack. I havent done it since I got my lift. It's probably less than 2 hours now.

I think Randy nailed it. Lots of fishing going on.

[Unobtanium-inc]

R-
I don't want to sell it, the car works for my needs on the project.

There we have it ladies and gentlemen.

You toyed with the group for pages saying that you'd let it go if someone presented a serious offer. However it was clear when you wouldn't list a price that you were just blowing smoke. Thanks for finally just saying that the "car is not for sale." Right?

If it's for sale, then list a price. If it's not then don't beat around the bush and make it sound like this car could be rescued from this project.

IIRC, this car's last chance at being saved is if you find that the kit won't fit on the other donor car.

Just trying to make sure I and others understand. Perhaps I'm a bit slow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I didn't list a price because this isn't a FOR SALE thread, it's a thread about my project. When I first got the car and everyone said it should be saved I made the offer of a trade for a six conversion, there were no takers. Now months later and several thousands of dollars spent people have again expressed outrage at the idea of me using my car in my project. I again said I wasn't attached to the car if someone wanted to buy it. So don't twist this around like I am "blowing smoke" or teasing people about selling the car. Unlike every other car in my collection that isn't for sale at any price, I would sell this one if someone wanted to save it. What I'm not going to do is give it away and be back on the open market trying to find a comparable six conversion, the prices you guys are asking are insane, some of the offers guys were sending me when I was looking were just crazy, $30,000 for an un-finished conversion, really?

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent.

[rhodyguy]

NO LONGER FOR SALE. Give it a rest. Or offer him more money than any person in their right mind would turn down. Pretty simple. To me.

[gms]

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent.

I would love to go barn hunting with you, when i see the pictures of the 356 loaded up on the truck it make me drool. point me to the 962 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

I wouldn't post again but he's calling my offer mediocre.

I offered him a very nice chassis, all transportation costs both ways and the work to swap engines because I want to keep my twin plug 2.8 RSR motor with PMOs. For all his complaing, if that had happened I would have spent a LOT more getting that car ready than mine.

I never said what I paid for the chassis, but he never asked. Pretty sure he missed out:) Mediocre offer indeed.

I also never said who would do the work, and he never asked. I was actually planning to have my friend who currently works at Jerry Woods' shop do the work, because I have too much to do at work.

I think its hilarious that he keeps complaining about spending thousands on doing some mechanical work to get the car ready on a forum where most readers are serious DIYers. Dropping out the engine and trans is an afternoon job with only a floor jack. I havent done it since I got my lift. It's probably less than 2 hours now.

I think Randy nailed it. Lots of fishing going on.

Dug-
I think you are contradicting yourself. You say I should do the work, it's only two hours, except you yourself were too busy and you were going to pay someone to do the work if you did the swap. Yes, I can drop a motor, and put one back in. But I'm a firm believer in the "Code of Clint" that "A Man's Got To Know His Limitations". So when I allocate a half day to a day a week to work on my own stuff, should I do what I'm not good at and do the mechanical, or do what I enjoy, which is the bodywork? Also, while I can do mechanical I know my limitations in tuning a Porsche, especially one built to race specs with stuff like hydraulic clutches. So yes, rather than butcher my way through the mechanical aspects of the car, I am paying to have that side of the project done. I don't enjoy what I'm not very good at, who does?
I did go fishing last week, caught a bass at my lakehouse in NH, is that the fishing you are talking about?

[Unobtanium-inc]

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent.

I would love to go barn hunting with you, when i see the pictures of the 356 loaded up on the truck it make me drool. point me to the 962 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell. I went a guy's place outside of Philly a few years back. He had about 10 cars in his yard, 3 of which were Speedsters. He says, "that one is a Carrera." I asked if he had a motor, he took me in his basement, he had three 4-cams! All these car were outside under waterbed covers, but he wouldn't sell a thing, even though they had been outside since before I was born (1974). In his garage he had even cooler stuff, a 59 Carrera Coupe and RSR #1, the car Harry Bizteck won the Canada Cup with, the one with the big maple leaf on the side. But nothing was for sale, he would rather the rot outside.

[mepstein]

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent.

I would love to go barn hunting with you, when i see the pictures of the 356 loaded up on the truck it make me drool. point me to the 962 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell. I went a guy's place outside of Philly a few years back. He had about 10 cars in his yard, 3 of which were Speedsters. He says, "that one is a Carrera." I asked if he had a motor, he took me in his basement, he had three 4-cams! All these car were outside under waterbed covers, but he wouldn't sell a thing, even though they had been outside since before I was born (1974). In his garage he had even cooler stuff, a 59 Carrera Coupe and RSR #1, the car Harry Bizteck won the Canada Cup with, the one with the big maple leaf on the side. But nothing was for sale, he would rather the rot outside.

You just have to wait and buy it from his widow. Sad but true.

[gms]

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell. I went a guy's place outside of Philly a few years back. He had about 10 cars in his yard, 3 of which were Speedsters. He says, "that one is a Carrera." I asked if he had a motor, he took me in his basement, he had three 4-cams! All these car were outside under waterbed covers, but he wouldn't sell a thing, even though they had been outside since before I was born (1974). In his garage he had even cooler stuff, a 59 Carrera Coupe and RSR #1, the car Harry Bizteck won the Canada Cup with, the one with the big maple leaf on the side. But nothing was for sale, he would rather the rot outside.

That has got to be heart breaking, have you ever had success going back a couple times? how many Carreras have you found in the wild?

[Unobtanium-inc]

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell. I went a guy's place outside of Philly a few years back. He had about 10 cars in his yard, 3 of which were Speedsters. He says, "that one is a Carrera." I asked if he had a motor, he took me in his basement, he had three 4-cams! All these car were outside under waterbed covers, but he wouldn't sell a thing, even though they had been outside since before I was born (1974). In his garage he had even cooler stuff, a 59 Carrera Coupe and RSR #1, the car Harry Bizteck won the Canada Cup with, the one with the big maple leaf on the side. But nothing was for sale, he would rather the rot outside.

That has got to be heart breaking, have you ever had success going back a couple times? how many Carreras have you found in the wild?

I've actually never bought a Carrera, and I normally shy away from the stuff. Normally the 4-cam stuff is overpriced and hard to move once you have it.
But yes, I have stayed on a lead, sometimes for years and gotten the car. I took me five years to buy this 55 Speedster, including several trips to the guys place when he said he was ready, only to get there (7 hour drive) and have him tell me he changed his mind.