914-6/904 project begins Options

[Unobtanium-inc]

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent.

I would love to go barn hunting with you, when i see the pictures of the 356 loaded up on the truck it make me drool. point me to the 962 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell. I went a guy's place outside of Philly a few years back. He had about 10 cars in his yard, 3 of which were Speedsters. He says, "that one is a Carrera." I asked if he had a motor, he took me in his basement, he had three 4-cams! All these car were outside under waterbed covers, but he wouldn't sell a thing, even though they had been outside since before I was born (1974). In his garage he had even cooler stuff, a 59 Carrera Coupe and RSR #1, the car Harry Bizteck won the Canada Cup with, the one with the big maple leaf on the side. But nothing was for sale, he would rather the rot outside.

You just have to wait and buy it from his widow. Sad but true.

That's funny, I recently bought a whole truckload of 356's from a guy, he introduced me to his wife who said, "Is this the Adam I'm supposed to call if you don't wake up one morning". We all laughed.

[gms]

got to be one of the best jobs in the world!

[Unobtanium-inc]

got to be one of the best jobs in the world!

Some days, yes, other days I wish I still had my Corp. job.
Like this day, bought a one owner 86 Carrera from a guy, it arrived, the paint is flowering off, the interior looks like animals have been living in it, and the key breaks off if the lock, mind you the steering lock is on, the wheels are turned and its on the front of a car carrier, the 18 wheeler kind...

[ConeDodger]

"I didn't list a price because this isn't a FOR SALE thread, it's a thread about my project. When I first got the car and everyone said it should be saved I made the offer of a trade for a six conversion, there were no takers. Now months later and several thousands of dollars spent people have again expressed outrage at the idea of me using my car in my project. I again said I wasn't attached to the car if someone wanted to buy it. So don't twist this around like I am "blowing smoke" or teasing people about selling the car. Unlike every other car in my collection that isn't for sale at any price, I would sell this one if someone wanted to save it. What I'm not going to do is give it away and be back on the open market trying to find a comparable six conversion, the prices you guys are asking are insane, some of the offers guys were sending me when I was looking were just crazy, $30,000 for an un-finished conversion, really?

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent."

Outrage? Really? Wow! What's with the drama. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I only knew about this thread for 3-4 days. I'm not outraged. I just think it's idiotic to cut up a car with race history when you don't have to. It took me about 5 months to find an engine for my 6 conversion. Many of the other parts took longer. But with some patience, I got the parts I needed at a price both me and the seller could live with. You express disbelief that anyone would want this car because it sat for 6 months before you bought it. That is unbelievably quick in this world. First you say you wanted to be 'made whole' and then when it is proven you have offers that do that, now you want to make enough money to buy a 6 conversion at $30K 'because you've spent thousands'. Really? Looks like you bought it, had it shipped and took the bodywork off. Then you sold the differential. Now you've recouped about 1/3 of your investment and you're looking to get $30K? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Wow... Let us know when you find the unsuspecting sheep. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

[Bruce Hinds]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif)
So, when do we get to see the first cut? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)

[bigkensteele]

Just when it turned civil, here comes Hurricane Rob! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

"I didn't list a price because this isn't a FOR SALE thread, it's a thread about my project. When I first got the car and everyone said it should be saved I made the offer of a trade for a six conversion, there were no takers. Now months later and several thousands of dollars spent people have again expressed outrage at the idea of me using my car in my project. I again said I wasn't attached to the car if someone wanted to buy it. So don't twist this around like I am "blowing smoke" or teasing people about selling the car. Unlike every other car in my collection that isn't for sale at any price, I would sell this one if someone wanted to save it. What I'm not going to do is give it away and be back on the open market trying to find a comparable six conversion, the prices you guys are asking are insane, some of the offers guys were sending me when I was looking were just crazy, $30,000 for an un-finished conversion, really?

Also, @GMS, if you don't believe there are Porsche race cars rotting away, you should go barn hunting with me sometime, like this one, I was buying up a whole field of 356's and poked my head in the tent."

Outrage? Really? Wow! What's with the drama. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I only knew about this thread for 3-4 days. I'm not outraged. I just think it's idiotic to cut up a car with race history when you don't have to. It took me about 5 months to find an engine for my 6 conversion. Many of the other parts took longer. But with some patience, I got the parts I needed at a price both me and the seller could live with. You express disbelief that anyone would want this car because it sat for 6 months before you bought it. That is unbelievably quick in this world. First you say you wanted to be 'made whole' and then when it is proven you have offers that do that, now you want to make enough money to buy a 6 conversion at $30K 'because you've spent thousands'. Really? Looks like you bought it, had it shipped and took the bodywork off. Then you sold the differential. Now you've recouped about 1/3 of your investment and you're looking to get $30K? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Wow... Let us know when you find the unsuspecting sheep. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

Sheep? I like the ladies, sorry, been married for 11 years. I don't want to sell it, and I don't want to sell it for $30,000, all I ever wanted was a running and driving six conversion. It isn't about the parts, I have about a dozen 911 motors, I even have two original 914-6 motors in my 10,000 square feet of Porsche stuff. The whole point is to have a running and driving car so I didn't have to re-invent the wheel. When I went to buy one, posting wanted ads here and elsewhere, the only cars that came my way were runners at $30,000 + or un-finished projects at $20,000-25,000. I found this car for what I thought was an affordable price. I didn't find it thinking I can flip it, or I was onto something. I posted it here for my project. People said I shouldn't use this car, so I said I would entertain suggestions on sales or trades. So don't twist it around Rob, I'm not looking for sheep to fleece, I was looking for a 914/6 conversion, I found one and am going to mount a 904 body on it if I can. And I made the offer months ago, before I had spent any money on the car, and while the 904 body was still being built, so I had time to play with.
Bottom line, everyone knew about this car, it has been on the market on and off since 2007, being passed around like a cheap hooker, and the last time no one wanted it, it was on ebay for 6 months and the guy had been trying to sell it for 2 years. I bought it, I own it. Anybody who was so enthralled with it could have bought it long before me and started a museum around it, a shrine even, but there were no takers.

[Chris914n6]

Adam, obviously this particular car is more valuable to us 914 fans than you expected. There are also many of us that would like to finally see a rebodied 914 that is actually pretty and appropriate. So let us help you make this a win-win. What exactly do you need in a donor car?

And while you are waiting for the community to provide a solution, fit the body to the sacrificial car to make sure it will actually work as visioned. Deal?

PS. Edit for your last post. A WTB ad is almost always going to get you the highest prices and is no reflection on what's actually market value if you're diligent and patient. The market for sixes has been going up for at least 5 years thanks to the demand for 911s, the major cost being the $10k engines and the rediculous prices Porsche 'experts' charge. But if you have engines then why not put one in the brown car? Conversion parts are only a few grand.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Adam, obviously this particular car is more valuable to us 914 fans than you expected. There are also many of us that would like to finally see a rebodied 914 that is actually pretty and appropriate. So let us help you make this a win-win. What exactly do you need in a donor car?

And while you are waiting for the community to provide a solution, fit the body to the sacrificial car to make sure it will actually work as visioned. Deal?

I would like a comparable car. A 914/6 conversion with known mechanicals and preferably with a larger six, mine has a 3.2 carbed with Webers, big brakes, etc.

[eric9144]

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[rick 918-S]

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Ok. so this IS a 914 forum Maybe the 904 forum guys will think it's cool. Go find one and see that they think.

[Unobtanium-inc]

The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Ok. so this IS a 914 forum Maybe the 904 forum guys will think it's cool. Go find one and see that they think.

Rick-
I think there are plenty of guys on THIS forum who are very excited about this project, more than half of the comments have been positive. If you don't like the project, I suggest you un-subscribe from the thread.

[Chris914n6]

I would like a comparable car. A 914/6 conversion with known mechanicals and preferably with a larger six, mine has a 3.2 carbed with Webers, big brakes, etc.

Honestly, that didn't narrow it down at all. Stock body OK or do you need chassis stiffening? How rust free? Does year matter?
Big brakes being 24mm 911 Carrera, 930, Boxster, Hybrid?
Transmission- stock gears? fresh rebuild or low mile?
Electrical- wired for turn signals and brake or can you handle that?

I'm not saying you can custom order the whole thing, but I don't want a hundred hours of members time and effort to be put into this for you to decide it's not good enough (which seems to be your hangup).

What's wrong with the engines you already have. Can one of those be used for the 904?

We have build parties almost as often as we have sawzall parties, this can be done.

[Garland]

Ok

[Unobtanium-inc]

Adam, obviously this particular car is more valuable to us 914 fans than you expected. There are also many of us that would like to finally see a rebodied 914 that is actually pretty and appropriate. So let us help you make this a win-win. What exactly do you need in a donor car?

And while you are waiting for the community to provide a solution, fit the body to the sacrificial car to make sure it will actually work as visioned. Deal?

PS. Edit for your last post. A WTB ad is almost always going to get you the highest prices and is no reflection on what's actually market value if you're diligent and patient. The market for sixes has been going up for at least 5 years thanks to the demand for 911s, the major cost being the $10k engines and the rediculous prices Porsche 'experts' charge. But if you have engines then why not put one in the brown car? Conversion parts are only a few grand.

Fair enough, the car is not at my shop right now, but when I get it back I will give a detailed description of the components so to give everyone a general idea.
Also, the WTB ads was just part of the stuff I saw and was offered, that was also checking all the for sale websites, and putting out feelers to all the people I know. The pricing I got was generally the same, no matter the medium. Between $20,000-25,000 for un-finished projects that were complete, around $10,000-15,000 for six conversions minus the guts, and $30,000+ for running and driving cars.
Why didn't I plug one of the motors I have into one? I looked into that option but even having friends do the engine re-build and other heavy lifting I was still looking at $20,000 before I was running, driving, and stopping on 5 lug wheels with big brakes. And that's if I provided the body and the engine. In this market nothing is cheap, including shop time. It's great when selling, but not so great when you're on the other end.
Which brings us back to why I bought the yellow car that no one wanted, it was $15,000 running, driving, and stopping, and as a bonus the body had already been peeled away, saving me the trouble. Also, no rust.

[Spoke]

10 pages to your build thread and you're still defending yourself.

You didn't happen to shoot a lion did you?

I wanna see this car come to life.

[SirAndy]

10 pages and i'm still not exactly sure what the hell is going on here ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[dug]

Adam: "If anyone wants to trade their six conversion for this car, I am all ears."
Adam: "The worst is when you find the stuff but the guy won't sell."
Adam: "I think you are contradicting yourself. You say I should do the work, it's only two hours, except you yourself were too busy and you were going to pay someone to do the work if you did the swap."

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means."

I've now been called mediocre and contradictory, and my work couldn't be trusted. I definitely AM argumentative and I disapprove of cutting up the Garretson's car. But I will defend my offer as not mediocre and argue that I have not contradicted myself in any way.

I would happily pay someone to do the work that most of us can do in not a lot of time, and I am not complaining that it will cost me a lot of money to have someone with recognizable credibility do it. That is why my offer is not mediocre and that doesn't contradict anything that I have said.

[Larmo63]

If I were Adam, I would not EVER post here again. Some people here sound like the biggest dicks. Talk about taking the fun out of a hobby? The poor guy has had to defend himself and HIS FREAKING BUILD at least fifteen times. He does own the car, and he can do with it whatever he wants.

Adam, are you a masochist?

[gms]

10 pages and i'm still not exactly sure what the hell is going on here ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

It is kind of like when a developer is trying to knock down a historic building and there are protesters trying to stop the demolition
Strangely enough in this case there are a number of people calling for the demolition of the building.