914-6/904 project begins Options

[gms]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

[mepstein]

In Sept and Oct I am going to see and photograph both a 904 and a 906, so once I do that I can report back about differences.

I believe you'll find that the 904 has something approaching a unit-body design, where a floor pan and lower panels were pressed from steel and welded together, then the plastic body bonded on top of that. (Trivia: Body by Heinkel, the aircraft builders!)

The 906 had a tubular space-frame, and the plastic body was attached to that.

Very different animals...

--DD

I'm pretty sure the 904 was a road car while the 906 was only a race car.

[Johny Blackstain]

I'm pretty sure the 904 was a road car while the 906 was only a race car.

The 904 has often been referred to as the last "dual purpose" Porsche. It was designed for both street & track use. The 906 was designed from the get go as a race car, but I think a few may have been legalized for street use. To be honest I'm not sure on that, my memory has gotten hazy over the years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[sbsix]

Jeff Zwart owns a 906 that he races and drives on the street. A few years back Peter Egan wrote a Road & Track column on a road trip they took up the California coast in it.

[rgalla9146]

I recall reading that buyers of 906s were advised to arrive the factory with a trailer.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Weren't the originals all beefy 4-cylinders with DOHC, except for a few limited run 904/6s?

From my reading, the 904 was designed from the outset to use a version of the 901's six-cylinder motor. But they had problems making the engines--either making enough of them to satisfy demand, or making them race-worthy, so they switched to the tried-and-true Fuhrman four-cam. Eventually, they were able to use the six-cylinder engines that they had originally planned to, and of course there were the one or two that wound up with the early flat-eight motors.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

The 906 was a very different beast. The only thing it had in common with the 904 was the suspension uprights, because the Doctor insisted they use the parts that had been bought for possible future 904 construction. The rest was almost completely a clean-sheet design.

--DD

Sorry, I meant to say I was going to look at 904 and a 904/6, not a 906. I do know where one is, if I can just find that time machine....Rory, that's you in the driver's seat of the 550, right?

In Sept and Oct I am going to see and photograph both a 904 and a 906, so once I do that I can report back about differences.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

I am hoping to take the 5-ish inches out of the 914, but as a backup I have a couple of spots I can add inches to the 904 body.
The rear clam-shell of the 904 falls exactly where it needs to on the 914, so no moving there. I measured on the 904 and the 914 and from the back firewall to the middle of the wheel is almost exact.

[bandjoey]

Weren't the originals all beefy 4-cylinders with DOHC, except for a few limited run 904/6s?

From my reading, the 904 was designed from the outset to use a version of the 901's six-cylinder motor. But they had problems making the engines--either making enough of them to satisfy demand, or making them race-worthy, so they switched to the tried-and-true Fuhrman four-cam. Eventually, they were able to use the six-cylinder engines that they had originally planned to, and of course there were the one or two that wound up with the early flat-eight motors.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

The 906 was a very different beast. The only thing it had in common with the 904 was the suspension uprights, because the Doctor insisted they use the parts that had been bought for possible future 904 construction. The rest was almost completely a clean-sheet design.

--DD

Sorry, I meant to say I was going to look at 904 and a 904/6, not a 906. I do know where one is, if I can just find that time machine....Rory, that's you in the driver's seat of the 550, right?

In Sept and Oct I am going to see and photograph both a 904 and a 906, so once I do that I can report back about differences.

Makes me sick to see such great cars sitting outside rotting away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

[Chris914n6]

Makes me sick to see such great cars sitting outside rotting away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Relax. See the leaves under the cars? Safe to assume it's a show and tell.

Fun 904 stuff...

904 history

Original complete body. $48,000USD

906 restoration

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/forums.pelicanparts.com-431-1440714083.1.jpg)

Really big drawing

[Mueller]

Makes me sick to see such great cars sitting outside rotting away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Relax. See the leaves under the cars? Safe to assume it's a show and tell.

Fun 904 stuff...

904 history

Original complete body. $48,000USD

906 restoration

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/forums.pelicanparts.com-431-1440714083.1.jpg)

Really big drawing

That last picture is suitable to send off to Staples to make a huge poster!

[Unobtanium-inc]

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Makes me sick to see such great cars sitting outside rotting away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)
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Remember when these pics were taken, they weren't treated as great cars, they were just used up race cars. I think he paid $1500 for the Spyder and $5000 for the 906. You should see the back field at his place, look at your own peril.

https://unobtaniuminc.wordpress.com/2009/05...yard-part-deux/

[stownsen914]

I remember when I was a kid in the mid 70's or so, a local PCA member bought a 906 for like $10,000 and drove it at DEs for a while. If only ....

[rgalla9146]

Uh....... that is my brother- in- law Bill in the 550.
He is currently restoring a 1964 356 SCGT that has extensive Northeast hill climb history.
My brother Robert is standing between the cars.
There are probably a couple cans of beer there too.
Both are long time Porsche owners and enthusiasts.
The picture is circa '76 ?
Those cars were the tip of a 356 iceberg at that location.
I was along on some of those adventures.
I was a late starter, got my first 914 in about 1977.
In those days there was no place to drive an old race car.
Today you'll be invited to come to some of the greatest Porsche spectacles ever..... if you own a car that raced back in the day.
Robert must have provided the picture.
Rory Gallagher
......both pictures

[r_towle]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

Build a rectangle tube frame and move the trailing arms forward.
A rectangle will pick up the four mounting points of the front arms, and has been done to add the same suspension to a 356.

I cannot fit in a stock 904 at 6'2"

I can however fit in a beck 904 which I recall is six inches longer.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Uh....... that is my brother- in- law Bill in the 550.
He is currently restoring a 1964 356 SCGT that has extensive Northeast hill climb history.
My brother Robert is standing between the cars.
There are probably a couple cans of beer there too.
Both are long time Porsche owners and enthusiasts.
The picture is circa '76 ?
Those cars were the tip of a 356 iceberg at that location.
I was along on some of those adventures.
I was a late starter, got my first 914 in about 1977.
In those days there was no place to drive an old race car.
Today you'll be invited to come to some of the greatest Porsche spectacles ever..... if you own a car that raced back in the day.
Robert must have provided the picture.
Rory Gallagher
......both pictures

Sorry, Rory, Robert did give me the pics, I always figured that was you in the pics, with the 70s hair and staches all you guys kind of looked alike.

[carr914]

Is this the Goal?

[wndsnd]

That is just not right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

Is this the Goal?

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[rick 918-S]

Is this the Goal?

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You mean you haven't seen this car before?

[Unobtanium-inc]

Is this the Goal?

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You mean you haven't seen this car before?

Everyone has seen the Hussey Special, I grew up in Atlanta, I might of actually seen it. I'm wondering what that has to do with this discussion?