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[dug]

Chris-
I explained what didn't work with Dug's deal previously and don't really want to re-hash since Dug took offense to our different view points...

Fact: Adam ended our direct discussion with the words "We are done talking."

I do not get offended. I get annoyed at people who don't understand reason and logic, but I don't get offended.

I would quote Inigo Montoya again, but... nevermind.

cheers,
dug

[rick 918-S]

Is this the Goal?

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You mean you haven't seen this car before?

Everyone has seen the Hussey Special, I grew up in Atlanta, I might of actually seen it. I'm wondering what that has to do with this discussion?

That's what your building out of a historically significate IMSA chassis right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

Is this the Goal?

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You mean you haven't seen this car before?

Everyone has seen the Hussey Special, I grew up in Atlanta, I might of actually seen it. I'm wondering what that has to do with this discussion?

That's what your building out of a historically significate IMSA chassis right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If you're asking that question than I'm not sure how to answer you...

[bandjoey]

I've spent hours reading your blogs ( and I'm not 1/3 the way through ) After saving and documenting a few hundred 356's, no one can say you're not interested in saving special cars.

People...if you haven't - read 'em! I recommend Admins lock this down, stop the crazy talk, and a new 904 build thread be started. IMHO. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[zipedadoo]

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While this has been fun.......let's move on to the build. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[scotty b]

The horse is now a pile of bones, blood and bodily fluids seeping into the ground (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif)


This whole train wreck has gotten down right childish. IMHO all of you either need to put up or shut up. We've seen plenty of threads turn ugly round here, but this one in particular has resorted to nothing but name calling and a bunch of he said, she said, I said bullshit all around. Get the fuck over it and go work on your own car. Adam isn't changing his mind, Dug isn't changing his mind. Opinions and assholes ........ and assholes with opinions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

This thread would be a lot more fun if the people who dis-agree with the build would start their own thread and take their jabs and such there.
A large number of people are very excited about the build and have been very supportive, it's just a few of you guys who can't stop heckling but you're ruining it for everybody else. Except for the lurkers who love the drama, but even they are probably getting bored by now.
Move on.

[gms]

Adam are you going to Rennsport?

[gms]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

Build a rectangle tube frame and move the trailing arms forward.
A rectangle will pick up the four mounting points of the front arms, and has been done to add the same suspension to a 356.

I cannot fit in a stock 904 at 6'2"

I can however fit in a beck 904 which I recall is six inches longer.

I agree, from the start I have advocated a tube frame because it will be lighter and you can put this suspension on it.

[Mueller]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

Build a rectangle tube frame and move the trailing arms forward.
A rectangle will pick up the four mounting points of the front arms, and has been done to add the same suspension to a 356.

I cannot fit in a stock 904 at 6'2"

I can however fit in a beck 904 which I recall is six inches longer.

I agree, from the start I have advocated a tube frame because it will be lighter and you can put this suspension on it.

^ditto...

Personally for me, I see no real value in the history of the donor chassis...I was never into IMSA or whatever series they ran in...might as well be a Lemons car to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That being said, the only reason I'd want to use any 914 chassis for this project is for easily registering it for street use.

I also think a custom framed and better equipped suspension 904 would get a lot more respect or admiration and possibly handle a lot better than throwing a 904 shell on a very heavily cut up 914 chassis.

I'm looking forward to the build, but I'd really like it if it was more custom and not basically a one-off kit car build using a 914 donor instead the typical Fiero donor chassis.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Adam are you going to Rennsport?

I went to the last two but I'm not going to this one. It fell during my birthday weekend and I didn't want to be away from the kids on my b-day. Plus, Cali is sooooo expensive, hotels, planes, food, gas, it all adds up.

Oh, and that's me sitting in the car, but not the one racing.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

Build a rectangle tube frame and move the trailing arms forward.
A rectangle will pick up the four mounting points of the front arms, and has been done to add the same suspension to a 356.

I cannot fit in a stock 904 at 6'2"

I can however fit in a beck 904 which I recall is six inches longer.

I agree, from the start I have advocated a tube frame because it will be lighter and you can put this suspension on it.

^ditto...

Personally for me, I see no real value in the history of the donor chassis...I was never into IMSA or whatever series they ran in...might as well be a Lemons car to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That being said, the only reason I'd want to use any 914 chassis for this project is for easily registering it for street use.

I also think a custom framed and better equipped suspension 904 would get a lot more respect or admiration and possibly handle a lot better than throwing a 904 shell on a very heavily cut up 914 chassis.

I'm looking forward to the build, but I'd really like it if it was more custom and not basically a one-off kit car build using a 914 donor instead the typical Fiero donor chassis.

I'm already looking into changing the front suspension, one of the pitfalls Chuck Beck pointed out was the height of the shock tower in relation to the lowered hood line of the 904.

[gms]

Do you cut the 914 in half and remove 6 inches or do you cut the 904 body and add 6 inches to the door and roof?
or
Do you move the trailing arms forward to get the wheel in the 904 wheel well?

Build a rectangle tube frame and move the trailing arms forward.
A rectangle will pick up the four mounting points of the front arms, and has been done to add the same suspension to a 356.

I cannot fit in a stock 904 at 6'2"

I can however fit in a beck 904 which I recall is six inches longer.

I agree, from the start I have advocated a tube frame because it will be lighter and you can put this suspension on it.

^ditto...

Personally for me, I see no real value in the history of the donor chassis...I was never into IMSA or whatever series they ran in...might as well be a Lemons car to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That being said, the only reason I'd want to use any 914 chassis for this project is for easily registering it for street use.

I also think a custom framed and better equipped suspension 904 would get a lot more respect or admiration and possibly handle a lot better than throwing a 904 shell on a very heavily cut up 914 chassis.

I'm looking forward to the build, but I'd really like it if it was more custom and not basically a one-off kit car build using a 914 donor instead the typical Fiero donor chassis.

I'm already looking into changing the front suspension, one of the pitfalls Chuck Beck pointed out was the height of the shock tower in relation to the lowered hood line of the 904.

I definitely thought the macpherson strut set-up would create a problem being too tall. I would also get rid of the torsion bars system. maybe look into a mid-1990s Honda Civic unequal length double wishbone suspension.

[stownsen914]

Or substantially shorten the strut and use shorter inserts. Then you could lower the shock tower. Could be done, though not for the faint of heart ...

[Mueller]

Or substantially shorten the strut and use shorter inserts. Then you could lower the shock tower. Could be done, though not for the faint of heart ...

Not too difficult, did this on my 242 to run Koni Race inserts...shortened the strut assembly 3".

[Unobtanium-inc]

Or substantially shorten the strut and use shorter inserts. Then you could lower the shock tower. Could be done, though not for the faint of heart ...

I'm liking that idea, fancy a trip upstate?

[stownsen914]

I'm liking that idea, fancy a trip upstate?

Thank you for the invite. I'd love to check out your place sometime. I see you have the open house on 9/5. Unfortunately I'll be our of town that weekend ..

Scott

[Unobtanium-inc]

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